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August 16[edit]

TransactionError message[edit]

Hi, I was doing some language weeding in the History of Norway article, but on clicking Publish, "[fc420699-0169-40eb-9df3-1fe1ccf8a160] 2022-08-16 04:20:52: Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBTransactionError"" appeared. I spent a long, perhaps too long time writing - does the edit function time out, e.g. after, say, one hour, or something? Any tips appreciated. T 84.208.65.62 (talk) 04:28, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Database error mentions a current issue. Just try again. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:27, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, the edit function does not time out, as far as I know, and this is a database transaction error, it may mean the Wikimedia database servers were down or overloaded at the time you submitted your edit. Wikimedia servers, especially the database servers, are very busy, because they have to handle millions of requests, so you may receive server errors sometimes, however this does not happen often. WPEditor42 (talk) 13:09, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Expand diffs[edit]

Hi all. I use User:Bradv/Scripts/ExpandDiffs to allow me to look at diffs from within someone's contributions, or from the recent changes feed. It's really handy, but it doesn't work on my watchlist; does anyone know of a script that would allow the same sort of functionality there? Girth Summit (blether) 08:21, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Girth Summit If you activate navigation popups in your preferences (gadgets) that's one of the things that it does when you hover the cursor over the word "diff" in the watchlist. It's really useful in a number of other aspects, so I would recommend it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:10, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, but I've tried that and I find the pop-up style really distracting and annoying. Bradv's script gives you a little triangle next to all the bullet points when looking at a list of contributions; if you click on the triangle, it expands and shows you the diff below. It works everywhere I'd like it to, except in my watchlist. Girth Summit (blether) 10:15, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Girth Summit: You can try User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/commonHistory. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:41, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks PrimeHunter, that is a bit more like what I was hoping for. I'm not sure I'm going to get used to the big green button - Bradv's version has a tiny, unobtrusive button right next to the bullet point, which you would miss if you weren't looking for it - but it has the functionality I was looking for. Cheers Girth Summit (blether) 16:31, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Girth Summit: I don't know why Bradv omitted the watchlist from User:Bradv/Scripts/ExpandDiffs but you could add it by copying the script and adding this line after line 4:
|| mw.config.get('wgCanonicalSpecialPageName')=='Watchlist'
The button overlaps the bullet point for me but it appears to work. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:42, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah now, hang on - I've never created a script. Is it as simple as creating User:Girth Summit/Scripts/ExpandDiffs, copying the stuff over from Bradv's script (with attribution, naturally), and then making the change you suggest? I'll try that, if you're confident that it won't break the internet. Girth Summit (blether) 17:48, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Girth Summit: That's it. It won't even break Wikipedia or your account. But if something breaks Bradv's script and he makes a fix then your own version will still be broken. You can give it any name, e.g. User:Girth Summit/ExpandDiffs if you don't plan on making a lot of scripts. Or copy the whole code directly into your common JavaScript but I certainly don't recommend that. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:23, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the tips - I will experiment (but will avoid copying anything directly into my JavaScript because I will definitely screw that up!) Girth Summit (blether) 18:26, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Different Coordinates[edit]

I had created an article about a village named Mothparja and it is now a start class geography article. But the problem is that it's coordinates at Wikipedia,Wikivoyage,Wikidata and Openstreetmap are different from one an other and all these in actual are different from coordinates of Maps. So please help me to fix all these coordinates and making them as same as that of Maps.FAAHS (talk) 10:11, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

FAAHS I've tried to understand the documentation at {{coord}} to see what the problem might be. This led me to think that using {{WikidataCoord}} for the article might be better, as it takes its information from Wikidata. I previewed that option in the infobox of the article and it seemed to work. The documentation explains that the underlying presentation of data uses mw:GeoHack. I don't know how to decide which of the many values you mention are correct but it seems to me that Wikidata is the best place to edit in that value. The page is here on Wikidata. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:47, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Doug Mastranio[edit]

Staff

Do you label a democrat as FAR Left, Drop the garbage wording used in your description blow.

Douglas Vincent Mastriano is an American far-right politician from Pennsylvania. He is a retired United States Army colonel and is the state senator representing the 33rd district. A Republican, he is the party's nominee for Pennsylvania governor in the 2022 election.

24.115.238.63 (talk) 11:42, 16 August 2022 (UTC) [Note: The above text is from the lead section of Doug Mastriano. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:59, 17 August 2022 (UTC)]Reply[reply]

There are no staff here, only volunteers. Wikipedia retains a neutral point of view and cites the sources it uses for article text. In this case, references #2,3 and 4 all use the term "far right" in their title. And we have a full article on Far-left politics. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:11, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(edit conflict) Wikipedia reports on what has been written about a subject in reliable sources. There are four sources immediately after the statement referred to, three of which describe the subject as 'far right' in the title of the source alone. 'Far left' is not as common a term but would be used where applicable if sources supported it. If you disagree with what the sources say, the problem lies with them, not Wikipedia. Eagleash (talk) 12:13, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If Sen. Mastriano does not want to be described as far right, he should adopt policies and views to cause sources to not describe him that way. 331dot (talk) 18:08, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The idea that most anyone in American politics is "far left" is hilarious. The rest of the world would like to have a word. PRAXIDICAE🌈 18:08, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
AOC would be viewed as to the left of Center in *some* of Scandanavia, but not *that* far left of Center. Naraht (talk) 19:27, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That said, the United States does have far-left politicians on the fringes. These would include communists and anarchists. The far-right ones (including fascists and consipiracy theorists) are the ones who are most vocal and get the most press at the moment, though. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:56, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Can I report outside activity of a Wikipedia editor?[edit]

Let's say that an admin or a user posted something inappropriate outside of Wikipedia (e.g. attacking IPs while removing vandalism, threatening Wikipedia, etc.), should I report it? Because some users had another account with the same username as their Wikipedia accounts. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 17:33, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

SpinnerLaserzthe2nd you first need to read WP:DOXXING. You must not publicly make a connection between a Wikipedia account and a person in the real world, or an account on another platform, unless the person has made the connection themselves on Wikipedia. So, for example, if there is a Facebook account called 'Girth Summit', and the person using that account is posting that Wikipedia is crap and threatening to beat you up, you can report them to Facebook moderators, but you cannot report it publicly here unless I have said here that I own that Facebook account. What you can do is report stuff privately by e-mail - I'd suggest Arbcom or the functionaries list - if someone is bragging about creating hoaxes or introducing subtle vandalism, send it to them and they will investigate. Girth Summit (blether) 17:57, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay thanks. So, for a tip, should I keep an eye on their userboxes before reporting someone? SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 18:06, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You could look on their talk page generally and see if they make the connection there - take a look at mine, I note the name I use (very occasionally) on IRC, and that I don't have any other social media accounts under this name. If you don't see a declaration, don't report anything publicly, send it in by email. Girth Summit (blether) 18:18, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikidata not linked to page[edit]

I was working on The Realness (podcast) and decided to add some information to its corresponding wikidata page so that Template:Podcast platform links will display the various locations that you can go listen to the podcast. However, none of the links are showing up in the template. I think that it has something to do with the Wikidata page name because it's just called "The Realness" not "The Realness (podcast)", but I don't do much with Wikidata and I wasn't sure how to fix the problem. TipsyElephant (talk) 18:19, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A WP:NULLEDIT seems to have fixed the problem. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:22, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi, TipsyElephant. I see that Pppery says it is fixed. But for your information, the "name" (ID) of that Wikidata item is Q111944132. It may have multiple labels in English, as well as in other languages, but they do not affect its association with a page in a Wikipedia or any other project, which is via its ID. ColinFine (talk) 21:51, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dean Andrews[edit]

My husband went to school with him. I added my husbands name and linked in link. It is not promotional. My husband will not benfit from this, it is just a fact, but you removed it. Should I just remove the linkedin link? The Trustworthy Editor (talk) 19:03, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We have a policy here called Verifiability. We don't write what we know, we write what we can demonstrate by referencing reliable published sources. If you can find a published source, that's great, but if it's just something you know because your husband knows the person, it needs to stay out. I'm not calling you a liar, but this is the internet - you could be anyone, we have no way of knowing whether what you say is true. Girth Summit (blether) 19:07, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We do not list every person to have ever attended a school, gone to a place or know a person. We require our subjects to be notable and the content in their articles to be well sourced. PRAXIDICAE🌈 19:07, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@The Trustworthy Editor Not to pile on, but if your husband is not Notable (click here) and doesn't have his own article here on Wikipedia, there is no reason to add his name to someone else's article. Your husband's name and LinkedIn profile won't help a reader know or understand Dean Andrews any better, and you wouldn't expect to see something like that in the Encyclopedia Britannica, would you? Sorry to be a downer. I hope this helps explain the reasoning. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 09:43, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Changing name of Iñupiaq sidebar interlanguage link[edit]

Hello! I've been working on developing the Iñupiaq Wikipedia site. However, in the interlanguage links on the sidebar, the language is listed as "Iñupiak". It is my understanding that the interlanguage link should be the appropriate endonym, which should be "Iñupiatun". (literally, like Iñupiaq or "in the Iñupiaq language"). In any case, "Iñupiak" is wrong; even as an exonym the language is spelled Iñupiaq, with a q.

I have searched all over for instructions on how to do this to now avail. Help? Naulagmi (talk) 19:20, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Interwiki links are handled on WikiData's end nowadays, so your answers would lie there, I think. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 19:21, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is probably better asked on Meta, to be honest. PRAXIDICAE🌈 19:25, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Naulagmi: I think this would have to be changed in mw:Universal language selector. But I'm not sure where best to request it, so let's just try asking one of the developers: Amire80 – hope you don't mind the ping –, would you be able to help with this? Rummskartoffel 20:18, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Of course I don't mind the ping, Rummskartoffel. Perfectly relevant. I'll follow up with Naulagmi. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 04:58, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi @Amire80. How do I request it at the Universal language selector page? Thanks! Naulagmi (talk) 16:08, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've already done everything in the software. If all goes well, it will be deployed next week. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 18:15, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Infobox picture of the recently deceased[edit]

Hello! On Wikipedia, with notable figures, it is usually common practice for a recent image to be preferred in the infobox. Once they die however, they usually find a picture from what consensus determines to be the peak of their career. I’ve seen this be cited in edit summaries as MOS/Biography, however I’m struggling to find any formal guidelines or MOS details explicitly addressing the change of infobox picture upon a subject’s death. Can someone point me to such a guideline, for my personal reference? Thank you! DrewieStewie (talk) 22:20, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@DrewieStewie welcome to Help Desk. If you find out, please update MOS:LEADIMAGE or ping me. This is where I would expect some guidelines. Semi-related, the licensing requirements for BLP excludes fair-use images, since it's theoretically possible to obtain a freely licensed image of someone alive. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 01:01, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, DrewieStewie. Although various editors have different philosophies, I believe that the best practice is to use a high quality freely licensed or public domain image that shows the person at the top of their game. Take a look at the images used at Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush, who obviously have a very large number of freely licensed and public domain images available to choose from. In both cases, the lead images show them at the peaks of their careers. It is common, though, for editors to make proposals to change the lead photo when a famous person has died. This is a conversation that has recently taken place at Talk: Olivia Newton-John, where a high quality photo of her in the 21st century was replaced by a lower quality but still nice black and white photo from about 40 years ago. In the end, these decisions are made by the consensus of the editors interested in updating the biography of a celebrity who has recently died. Cullen328 (talk) 02:44, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


August 17[edit]

Personally Offensive edit[edit]

I made an edit to a page and it was reverted with the comment that my edit was "simple-minded". That is, it is a comment, made, about me being a simple minded person. People have minds not comments. So, their response was a personally directed slight to me. I do not want to engage with the contributor to "talk" about the edit as I do not want to be victim again to their offensive behaviors. There was no button or option to "report" the edit as being offensive, personally offensive, etc. JohnIsRight (talk) 00:02, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@JohnIsRight Welcome to the Help Desk. I looked over your 3 edits, which were rolled back by User:Avatar317. They didn't call you simple-minded, rather they called your explanation simple-minded. I would have preferred a friendlier edit-summary, but agree with their revert. Removing sources as you have done, should be done with caution. See WP:REFBEGIN. Hopefully future edits will be more satisfactory. Kind regards, ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 00:26, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, JohnIsRight. The other editor did not call you simple-minded (which would have been a personal attack) but rather they described your explanation that way. And the editor also provided a pretty convincing argument for why that content should stay in the article. It is supported by a reference to a book published by Routledge, a reliable academic publisher, called "The Digital Transformation of Labor: Automation, the Gig Economy and Welfare". That's a solid source that should only be removed for a very good reason, not according to the personal opinion of one editor. You are free to discuss the matter at Talk: Minimum wage, and try to build consensus there that it should be removed. Cullen328 (talk) 01:53, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WOODY[edit]

IM WILLIAM WOODY ENLIGHTEN ME PLEASE. 2603:6080:3D08:B00:B0CB:218:C0C2:B1F0 (talk) 02:21, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your question is a bit unclear. Could you please clarify? Thanks. weeklyd3 (block | talk | contributions) 02:22, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
NVM 2603:6080:3D08:B00:B0CB:218:C0C2:B1F0 (talk) 02:26, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I SEE KINDA
WELL I WRITE MUSIC AN WORK A JOB 2603:6080:3D08:B00:B0CB:218:C0C2:B1F0 (talk) 02:25, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
See Enlightenment (spiritual). -Arch dude (talk) 05:10, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
See also Musical composition and WP:SHOUT.Shantavira|feed me 08:35, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Make a wish?[edit]

make a wish is for children is there any wish programs for adults? I am a disabled vet and need a way to transport my electric wheelchair. Preacherclown (talk) 04:34, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Preacherclown: You're better off contacting someone from Make-A-Wish. Wikipedia can't help you here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:11, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Preacherclown: This is the help desk for using and editing Wikipedia, so we are not equipped to answer this question. You might take a look at GoFundMe, but the VA is probably more reliable. -Arch dude (talk) 05:14, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How to make new page[edit]

How to make new page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikikoolr (talkcontribs) 06:58, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikikoolr Making a new article(not a "page") is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia. It is a good idea to first gain experience and knowledge by editing existing articles, in order to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. It's also a good idea to use the new user tutorial. Doing these things greatly increases your chances of success in writing a new article, as opposed to diving right in.
However, if you wish to attempt to create a new article now, you will first need to gather independent reliable sources with significant coverage of the topic that you will summarize in the article you want to write. If you then examine the relevant definition of notability depending on what you want to write about and the topic meets that definition, you may visit Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 07:03, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Élisa Mercœur[edit]

Hi Folks!! I renamed this article at Élisa Mercœur. Its now the same as the French article. It had it as Elisa Mercoeur. I think the Élisa bit is correct, seems to reflect the sources, but the Mercœur surname, would that be correct in English? It looks odd, so I'm not sure. Thanks. scope_creepTalk 08:16, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Looks right to me, and that’s what ref #2 has. I recreated the redirect Elisa Mercoeur (any reason you decided to delete it when moving the article?).
By the way, we have an article about Œ, which is apparently used in English (from French loanwords but still), so the case to do a transliteration is fairly weak. I think the rule (beyond WP:COMMONNAME) is that non-Latin-script names are transliterated (thus Владимир Ленин and 豊臣 秀吉 get English names as Vladimir Lenin and Toyotomi Hideyoshi), but we keep Latin script names (hence Ratko Mladić with a ć, Manuel Azaña with an ñ, Tunalı Hilmi with a dotless i). TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 08:46, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi @Tigraan: Thats fine. I wasn't sure. I seems to match the French wp article now. scope_creepTalk 10:09, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Adding a custom parameter to an existing infobox template[edit]

Hi there, I'm looking to add a "Public access" parameter to the infobox on the page Ballinacarriga Castle, such as can be found on Template:Infobox monastery. The Ballinacarriga Castle page has the infobox for a historic site, and I'd like to add the public access parameter to the page, without effecting the template generally. Thanks in advance! Xx78900 (talk) 08:37, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm pretty sure there's no way to add a parameter to an infobox without adding to the template, and potentially affecting every page that uses it. In any case, Template talk:Infobox historic site. Perhaps WP:WikiProject Infoboxes would be a better place to start. ColinFine (talk) 15:23, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Named REF reordering[edit]

Editors can use either the order (A) <ref name="unique_name">bibliographic minutiae</ref> for first use and <ref name="unique_name" /> for any subsequent use, or (B) any other order; however, I suspect that while editing I'm not alone in expecting/hoping to find order (A).

If I radically reorder the content of an article, I should attend to various housekeeping chores; but one thing I'll want to do (even if it's unnecessary) is restore that former order, whereby the first instance of any citation is the one whose "source" has all the details.

For a long article, this restoration could be tedious "by hand", but perhaps easy with a bot. Has some kind person created a bot that will (semi-) automate the task? -- Hoary (talk) 09:18, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Hoary: In case you were not aware, WP:COSMETICBOT forbids a bot that would do only that kind of edits. So it would have to be bundled with other, non-cosmetic edits.
My first thought was "maybe this is in AWB"? And there is something that is similar in the list of general fixes, but not quite the thing, but close enough that maybe it does it. I suppose you could test that. (The "general fixes" is stuff that AWB does automatically when you use it to do other, non-cosmetic stuff.) TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 15:32, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you, Tigraan, for the tips. And for the salutary reminder of my near-complete ignorance of editing tools. I'd encountered the name AWB but never bothered to read up on it. Now that I do, I see that it's for Windows. Still, there's a Javascript alternative. On the third hand, I suppose I could borrow a Windows computer. On the fourth, while "duplicate copies of the same reference are condensed to the abbreviated format", there'd be no duplicate copies; and if there were, it would be good to know which of them would be condensed. Oh well, I'll stumble ahead, "manually". -- Hoary (talk) 21:34, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Hoary: You could still try requesting a script; a script that just adds these fixes to edits that already make non-cosmetic changes would be permissible. Rummskartoffel 11:33, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you, Rummskartoffel. Well, it all turned out to be a false alarm. Simply, the article (as it was) could be thought of as being in two parts: a short first part with a fair number of references, some of which were repeatedly reused; and a much longer second part with dozens of references, virtually none of which were ever used a second time. The first part didn't obviously need rearrangement; the second part did. This all meant that the rearrangement had hardly any effect on reference order. Not only was there none of what I describe above (which anyway could be dismissed as merely cosmetic); there were only one or two instances of a visibly wrong order ([23][16] and the like). And fixing the latter was easy: I just searched the preview for ][, looking for poor combinations. -- Hoary (talk) 00:15, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How is it that the (arguably) most famous "vaccine skeptic" in America today, Barbara Loe Fisher, doesn't have a Wiki entry?[edit]

If you search her name on the big G, you get referred to her organization, the "National Vaccine Information Center", but there are no links for her or the other founders of NVIC - this seems deliberate to me, in some sense, that prominent people like this don't have their own pages. 37.205.58.148 (talk) 13:11, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikipedia reports on what has been written about a subject in multiple reliable sources; see WP:GNG for more information. If a person is not (yet) the subject of an article on Wikipedia it can be because no-one has yet written one or because there is insufficient coverage in usable sources. If this person is notable in the Wikipedia sense an article will likely be produced in due course. There is no deadline and no automatic right to an article. Eagleash (talk) 13:34, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And to address the accusation. It's not deliberate, it will be because of the reasons given above. - X201 (talk) 13:42, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I will point out that Barbara Loe Fisher redirects to National Vaccine Information Center, so if people are searching for in formation about her they at least get information about the organization she co-founded. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 14:11, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Out of curiosity, what is their logo supposed to be? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:27, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Madonna (art)?
Trappist the monk (talk) 18:06, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That actually seems plausible. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:08, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also, the history of the redirect shows that there was an article until 2010, when it was redirected. Relevant discussion behind that decision can be found at Talk:National_Vaccine_Information_Center/Archive_1#Barbara_Loe_Fisher_page_redirect. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 14:46, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
See WP:BASIC. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!" move on to WP:BLP and then WP:YFA. Note however that it is difficult to create an acceptable WP-article without any previous WP-experience, so it is recommended to get some of that first. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:23, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The BLP on Babs was redirected to the NVIC article more than ten years ago as a solution to BLP issues. Babs is all about the NVIC, so much so that the only things she is notable for are NVIC related, the redirect seems proper and inevitable. -Roxy the dog with opposable thumbs 14:35, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

https:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Hamann[edit]

Hi. I dipped a toe in the water as I was doing a little research and came to the Brigitte Harman entry. There were unsourced honours. I looked into some Couldn't find sources and removed. Then I looked at the last one...Friedrich-Schiedel-Literaturpreis [de] (1998). I can't find a source but there is a pic of Brigitte Harman receiving the award in the article. I thought of removing that also but now I'm thinking am I doing more harm than good. Can you give me some guidance please. Thanks Paul Lukewarmbeer (talk) 14:43, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Lukewarmbeer: Sorry to be blunt but your research skills seem inadequate for such work. Your example in [1] was the Kreisky Preis. The entry linked "[de]" to de:Bruno-Kreisky-Preis für das politische Buch, a book prize as should be expected for an author. She is also listed there although other Wikipedia languages are not reliable sources. Your edit summary indicated you looked at https:kreisky-forum.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Menschenrechtspreis-Programm.pdf but that's a human rights prize. If you want to check whether Brigitte Hamann won the Kreisky Preis in 1997 then the obvious thing to do is make an Internet search like Brigitte Hamann Kreisky Preis 1997. This immediately finds reliable sources. I suggest you restore all the prizes unless you make much better research to show problems, and then you can add {{citation needed}} because I want to give others a chance to look for sources. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:22, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The section had {{unreferenced section|date=October 2016}} so others did have six years. Still, I would like better research before actually removing prizes. Some articles just don't get much attention and citation requests can be ignored for many years. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:59, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok :) Lukewarmbeer (talk) 17:58, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Annotated Learning[edit]

By using story form as a method to help students learn concepts. I would use 2604:2D80:920E:2B00:F8F0:53B2:4F27:2732 (talk) 16:31, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? Rummskartoffel 16:43, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wikipedia is a concise, general-knowledge encyclopedia, written in an encyclopedic style. Therefore, what you propose is not appropriate to Wikipedia as it exists today. However, Wikipedia has a section called Village pump (idea lab), where visionary ideas for future Wikipedia projects may be discussed in depth and at length.--Quisqualis (talk) 00:45, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Error on page[edit]

On the page about Frank W. Preston, it has his birthdate of June 14, 1896. But under his Biography; Early life, it states he was born May 14, 1896. 208.103.121.66 (talk) 16:51, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello IP! I've gone ahead and fixed the error you mentioned. The correct birthdate was under the "Early Life" section as according to the ref, May 14 is correct. Thanks for pointing it out! ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:56, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Add someone to Wikipedia[edit]

misplaced article content

Dear Wikipedia,

Who is Israel ‘Izzy (Mr. Salsa) Sanabria?

An artist, a Legendary Host, Entrepreneur, Creator, Stylistic, Actor, Performer, Musician, Entertainer, Fashionista, Latino Historian, Activist, Realist, Legendary and Salsa Hall of Famer.

Where is Izzy Sanabria, The Artist, Legendary Host, Entrepreneur, Creator, Stylistic, Actor, Performer, Musician, Entertainer, Fashionista, Latino Historian, Activist, Realist, Legendary and Salsa Hall of Famer on Wikipedia?

This legend paved the road for Fania, Fania All Stars, Salsa’s Perfect Combination and Latino Generations for years with his Hosting Voice, Artistry, Album Creations, Magazines, Fashion Styles, and so much more. Hundreds of thousands of people throughout the globe know who Izzy Sanabria is, why not Wikipedia?

In the 1960s, 70s and 80s, Mr. Sanabria, did not only touch thousands of people throughout this country with his artistic talents and unquestionable entertainment capabilities. He sported some of the most unique male fashion trends, inspiring many of us growing up within the five boroughs of New York City and abroad. For example, He’s the gentleman seen dancing and sporting a red suit in the beginning of the 2007 movie, ‘El Cantante,’ the life of Hector LaVoe with superstar celebrities, Marc Anthony and Jennifer Lopez. Like the Bee Gees, who were colossal to us all in music and entertainment as singers, so was Izzy Sanabria in the world of Latino music and entertainment as a host, artist, actor, writer, publisher and so much more.

Izzy (Mr. Salsa) Sanabria was at the forefront of every Fania Salsa Introduction throughout the globe. The Fania consisted of many legendary talented musicians like; Larry Harlow, (who was the first to enter Fania) Ray Barretto, Bobby Valentin, Willie Colon, Hector LaVoe, Roberto Roena, Jorge Santana, Celia Cruz, Barry Rogers, Ismael Quintana, Ismael Miranda, Bobby Cruz, Cheo Feliciano, Pete “El Conde” Rodriguez, Justo Betancourt, Santos Colon, Yomo Toro, Ruben Blades, Mongo Santamaria, Richie Ray, Joe Bataan, Papo Lucca, Adalberto Santiago, Eddie Palmieri, Tito Puente, Andy Montañez, Louie Ramirez, Jimmy Sabater, Orestes Vilato, Manu Dibango, Luis Perico Ortiz, Bobby Rodriguez, Renaldo Jorge, Hector Bomberito Zarzuela, Manu Dibango, Larry Spencer, and of course, the founders of Fania, Jerry Masucci and Johnny Pacheco.

Before the disco explosion of the 1970s, Fania’s explosion was ten years ahead of its time and like a revved up locomotive at full throttle with no brakes, it swept through the 1970s music revolution, 1980s, hip-hop and 1990s, rap. Although Fania members have faded away in 2022, Fania music still continues its compatibility with Reggaeton on radio stations. Fania’s magical contemporary style of Salsa music touched many generations of all ages and even now in 2022; we listen faithfully as though it was yesterday. Times have changed and so have the morals and values of people.

Many musicians today don’t possess the caliber and cooperationist, held by the Fania musicians and entertainers like Mr. Salsa, Izzy Sanabria. To form a new Fania and find a new Izzy, will take a miracle.

Continuous dedicatory, genuine commitment in partnership, workmanship and total cooperation in every aspect of entertainment and management are the DNA molecules which created and kept together this legendary organization and this man (Izzy) for so many glorious years.

Dear Wikipedia, I just gave you the tip of the Latino Iceberg, Who is Israel ‘Izzy’ Sanabria and why is he not on Wikipedia? Thank you for your cooperation, consideration and sincere understanding.


Respectfully Submitted,

72.189.255.25 (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Everything you've written is absolutely inappropriate for Wikipedia. No reliable sources are cited, and it is written in a promotional manner. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:17, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The dry answer to the question "Why isn't he on Wikipedia" is simply "Nobody has yet written an encyclopedia article about him which shows that he meets Wikipedia's standards for inclusion." Such an article needs to be based on reliable sources which are independent of the subject. It also needs to be written from a neutral point of view, whereas the above text is anything but--indeed, I felt the need to check whether it was a copyright violation from a press release, other promotional materials, or from his own web site. Remember that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and as such the inclusion of phrases like "like a revved up locomotive at full throttle" and "for so many glorious years" would be deemed as completely unacceptable. Hope this helps. --Finngall talk 18:40, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you're writing in a promotional manner, please take a look at WP:PRPEOPLE. RteeeeKed💬📖 18:45, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Writing walls of text that are crammed to the gills with promotional bullshit doesn't convince us editors to look towards your draft; it convinces us to look towards WP:COI/N. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 18:41, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@72.189.255.25: As you can see, there's hostility to promotional articles. Nonetheless, there might be something here. Sanabria is mentioned in a few articles, including the Salsa music article, and there's some coverage crediting his efforts to popularize the term "salsa": [[2]], [[3]], [[4]], [[5]], [[6]] (in Spanish), [[7]]. But in addition to the advice you've been given above, you might be better off proposing an article at Wikipedia:WikiProject Latin music/Missing articles. And since there are way more proposed articles than editors to write them, you could mention on the Salsa music talk page that you proposed an article about him, to generate interest from volunteers who are interested in salsa. You could use a less promotional version of your above text to make your case, and add the sources I found to your request. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 19:45, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah, this guy looks to be notable per @Timtempleton's sourcing. Anyone interested in music and addressing systemic bias on WP? Valereee (talk) 20:29, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 18[edit]

Multiple addresses in the infobox[edit]

I edit high school articles, and it isn't rare that I come across a school with multiple addresses (e.g., multiple campuses such as North Campus and South Campus, or different campuses for different grades such as an elementary, middle, and high school campus):

  • In the infobox, would it be appropriate to list all addresses, or should only the common aspects of the addresses, such as country, state/province, and city? (e.g., if not all the schools have the same city in common, but have the same province and country in common, only write the province and country in the infobox)
  • If all addresses should be listed, what is the limit for when addresses shouldn't be listed in its entirety (e.g., perhaps when an organization that has schools across the country)?
  • If the addresses shouldn't be listed in the infobox, should they be listed in the body of the article?
  • If there is ever a time multiple addresses should be listed in the infobox, how should it be formatted? Is the example below an OK way to format them, and is there a better way to format this?:

Campus 1
1234 Example St
A city, state
Country
Campus 2
567 Example Rd
A city, state
Country
TheGEICOgecko (talk) 06:29, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi TheGEICOgecko. You might want to ask about this WT:WPSCHOOLS, but I personally think adding too much of this type of information might be contrary to the purpose of MOS:INFOBOX and run afoul of WP:NOTDIRECTORY. A Wikipedia article infobox isn't (at least not in my opinion) intended to be an "About us" or "Contact us" type of section you might find on an organization's official website. It seems (again in my opinion) only appropriate to list the main address for the school and not the address of each campus. If the other information is on the school's official website and there's a link to that website in the infobox or in the External links seciton, then that seems more than sufficient from a Wikipedia standpoint. Finally, I'm wondering whether anyone has previously brought up your choice of user name before. It could possibly be seen by some as being promotional since there is after all the The GEICO Gecko advertising campaign. I might be overthinking things a bit, which is why I wondering whether it ever came up before. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:36, 18 August 2022 (UTC); [Note: Minor copyediting made to original post by Marchjuly to add some words (indicated by underlining) that were left out by mistake. -- 21:30, 18 August 2022 (UTC)]Reply[reply]
I decided not to bring it up to WikiProject Schools because it seemed to be more so about a general rule on infoboxes/addresses.
What if they don't have any particular main campus? Should there be no address, or only the common aspects of the addresses, like the country?
My username has been brought up a couple times in the past. I have addressed it on my user page, of which I have stated I will not interact with articles related to car insurance to avoid any conflict of interest or action potentially seen as promotional, and that I am in no way affiliated with the company. TheGEICOgecko (talk) 13:32, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That infobox has a plural parameter called campuses. It's not clear from the documentation page what it actually does though. - X201 (talk) 13:29, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It says it's only for the names of the campuses TheGEICOgecko (talk) 13:33, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would agree with Marchjuly that the infobox should not generally not contain multiple addresses/locations. For a school, use the main location, or that of the most notable location (usu. the high school). If there is no main campus, it may be a private school organization that would still have a headquarters location. If that is unknown, I would just use the place they operate (e.g. county, state, province, etc). The school infobox does not require using the address/city/state/zip parameters; there is an alternative field |location= that implies a less specific location is acceptable when appropriate. The infobox is supposed to a quick summary of "key info" and should not be cluttered up with too many details. MB 16:11, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Grand Arcade (Leeds)[edit]

refs number 3 and 5 are the same - can they be "doubled up" please? thanks in advance 49.198.41.28 (talk) 08:07, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Done Recommend using an wp:edit request instead. Cheers Adakiko (talk) 08:13, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Martha Mitchell[edit]

Martha Mitchell massively factually contadicts https:encyclopedia.com/women/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/mitchell-martha-1918-1976 - a reliable source. VANDALIZING uses an offline reference:

"Martha Mitchell". Saturday Evening Post. Vol. 243, no. 2. Fall 1971. pp. 50–53.

0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 10:08, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is article related, so it should be raised at Talk:Martha Mitchell.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 10:13, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please read Wikipedia:Vandalism, specifically WP:NOTVANDALISM. Relying on a source that you, personally, do not approve of, does not constitute vandalism. It may be wrong, bad, immoral, or just plain misguided, but it is not vandalism. —Wasell(T) 🌻 14:28, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hide and seek[edit]

I recently created the template {{Ouse washes map}} by tweaking an existing template. The template has a hide/show option, which appears to "show" as the default. Is it possible to change this to "hide" by default without sabotaging the base Routemap template? thanks Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:58, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Template:Ouse washes map 💜  melecie  talk - 11:01, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jimfbleak: You can use {{Routemap}}'s |collapse= parameter (documented at Template:Routemap § Template data), taking into account MOS:COLLAPSE. Rummskartoffel 11:10, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Rummskartoffel:, thank you! I set |collapsed=0, and it did exactly what I wanted Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:45, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Any value works as the documentation says but 0 is a confusing choice because it usually means false/no/off. true/yes/on/1 are the common values to enable something. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:37, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Student publishing journal articles[edit]

My name is Victoria, a Master's student at United States International University-Africa. I am studying Marriage and Family Therapy. I would like information about student articles and if you allow students to publish their articles on Wikipedia. 41.212.116.242 (talk) 13:46, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Victoria. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "student articles"; but the answer is that anyone can contribute to Wikipedia. In principle that means that anyone can write a new article; but editors with little experience who try to create articles often have a frustrating time, and I always advise them to get a few months' experience improving some of our six million articles before they try it.
Note that Wikipedia does not allow original research: all articles should summarise what existing reliable published sources say about a subject, no more. If your studies are leading you to new discoveries, new insights, or new conclusions, Wikipedia is absolutely not the place to publish these.
I suggest reading Introduction; and when you're ready to contemplate creating a new article read your first article.
By the way, you do not have to create an account in order to edit articles (or even to create them, if you go through the draft process) but there are some advantages in doing so. ColinFine (talk) 14:25, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a journal, so our articles are very different than journal articles. the biggest difference is that an encyclopedia articles is not permitted to contain original research, While original research is usually the entire purpose of a journal article. We will gratefully accept you help if you wish to improve our articles, but you must find another place for your journal articles. -Arch dude (talk) 01:54, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Editing[edit]

I want to know how to edit on Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lihleikhayalethu (talkcontribs) 13:52, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Lihleikhayalethu. Please see Help:Introduction.
The reason your edit to Shri Krishna Sinha was reverted is that you inserted two words in an unhelpful place, without giving any idea of why you had inserted them, and without citing a source. Your edit summary said "the name": Whose name? Why does it belong in the article? Why does it belong at the top of that section? What reliable published source says that it is the name (of whatever it is)?
For many edits, it is obvious why the editor has made them, but they may still be removed because they are uncited, or another editor thinks they are not appropriate for the article (see WP:BRD). But in the case of your edit, I have no idea why you inserted it or what it means, and I suspect that the editor who reverted it also didn't know. ColinFine (talk) 14:33, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New user homepage feedback[edit]

Hey! So I went to provide some feedback for the new user homepage, however I didn't see a button allowing me to do so. Does anyone have a link for where I can provide feedback on it? ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:04, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikipedia talk:Growth Team features is probably the best place. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:06, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks! ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:08, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

page published[edit]

published page Singhsatwinder9 (talk) 18:39, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If this is about User:Singhsatwinder9/sandbox there is no chance in hell an unreferenced biography will be accepted. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 18:42, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WRITING ON WIKIPEDIA[edit]

When I join Wikipedia for the first time, what is the best decision to make? what are the best topics to also write on as a newbie? Independent Ghana official (talk) 21:23, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Independent Ghana official. Welcome to Wikipedia. Please have a look at Help:Introduction. I suggest you take it slowly: find some existing articles of interest to you, and see what small improvements you can make. I advise you not to try the challenging task of creating a new article until you have acquired some experience editing.
You might like to have a look at WP:WikiProject Ghana as well. It's not clear it is an active project, but there are probably some useful resources there.
I'm not sure whether or not your username is in accordance with our Username policy: generally names which suggest that you might be editing on behalf of some organisation are forbidden (the elements 'official' and 'independent' in your user name seem to contradict each other, so it is possible that this will be acceptable).
Happy editing! ColinFine (talk) 21:45, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello[edit]

Please help us maintain the page of our teacher Ogyen Trinley Dorje, the 17th Karmapa. Some people, most likely friends of China, are maliciously putting in wrong information and unfounded information into it. Bodhisato (talk) 21:48, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Ogyen Trinley Dorje FYI @CodeTalker: It looks like there's an edit dispute, but CodeTalker has been editing for a long time. Perhaps discuss on the talk page. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 22:02, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

CS1 errors[edit]

Hi, I'm brushing up an article, and in the hidden category it tells me there are some CS1 errors and maints, namely generic author (which I can see), but the ones I can't see is missing periodical, multiple names: authors list, and url-status. What do these mean? Does missing periodical refer to missing volume and issue? Thanks X-750 List of articles that I have screwed over 23:33, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@X750: I guess it's about Oil refinery. Please always be specifc and link to any page or article your question involves. See Help:CS1 errors#Controlling error message display for how to see hidden error mesages. The "Case Studies Of Corrosion Failures In Oil Refineries" reference (currently number 81) says "Cite journal requires |journal=". PrimeHunter (talk) 00:32, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh yes sorry, PrimeHunter, it is Oil refinery. Thank you very much. X-750 List of articles that I have screwed over 01:13, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 19[edit]

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing[edit]

Approximately when should the RFC for Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing take place? Please {{ping}} me when you respond. -- Jax 0677 (talk) 00:36, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Jax 0677, I'm actually not sure, but you can try clicking the star to the left of the search box to be notified when someone creates it. weeklyd3 (block | talk | contributions) 00:38, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request to remove maintenance template (COI)[edit]

Hi there! I recently made several edits to Project Jupyter to reduce its reliance on primary sources. Now, most of the cited sources are secondary sources. I am a professional software developer and I work on Project Jupyter as a core part of my job, so I have a conflict of interest that (per WP:WTRMT) I believe precludes me from removing the template myself. Can another editor please review whether Project Jupyter still relies too much on primary sources, and if not, could you please remove the maintenance template? Thanks! White 720 (talk) 00:43, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How can I test that my image alt text additions are working for blind users?[edit]

In this edit at List of French monarchs I added alt text to some images as recommended at MOS:ACCESS. I don't see tooltip pop-ups, status bar changes, or any other indication that this alt text is working; maybe I need special blind-access software to see it? Is there a preferences gadget, or some other way that I can verify my alt text changes? Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 01:25, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hm; in poking around, it seems that most browsers (except IE) don't show alt text, but the html title attribute does. So, maybe I need to do a help script request, to create a script that copies alt value to title? Mathglot (talk) 01:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I use dispensers one. Moxy-Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 01:34, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Mathglot: I don't know, but I suspect the folks that monitor talk:MOS:ACCESS might be able to help. -Arch dude (talk) 01:37, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good point; I'll move this there... Mathglot (talk) 01:39, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In the meantime, Moxy's solution works as well. I'll see what MOS users say as well. Mathglot (talk) 01:46, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Statistics about categories[edit]

Hi, I am guessing that nearly all categories are not used, and that they are not used on Stubs.

Are there any statistics - Total nmber of categories - Number of new categories created each month - The distribution of usage OR how many arent used (How mny user journerys include clicking on a category on an article? I thought of visits, but they would include crawlers/bots)? - The distribution of number of Categories per article?

I asked a similar question on here on the 13th, but didn't get a response. Wakelamp d[@[email protected]]b (talk) 04:25, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]