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Editing semi-protected article[edit]

How can I edit semi-protected articles? Rrthakur22 (talk) 15:57, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello @Rrthakur22 and welcome to the Teahouse! Semi-protected articles can be edited only by autoconfirmed accounts, or accounts that are at least four days old and have made at least ten edits to Wikipedia. Please click the two links if you wish to find out more. ‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍ 💬 "What did I tell you?"
📝 "Don't get complacent..."
16:01, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks @Your Power. I fulfill both the conditions (4 days old and 10 edits). I hope now I can edit semi-protected articles. Rrthakur22 (talk) 16:18, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, Rrthakur22. You are autoconfirmed. You can edit semi-protected articles as long as you follow the Policies and guidelines. Cullen328 (talk) 16:26, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(Cullen328 probably meant WP:PAG instead of EP:PAG.) weeklyd3 (block | talk | contributions) 16:42, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I corrected my typo. Cullen328 (talk) 17:07, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rrthakur22 What you have on your User page verges on webpage like content, which is not allowed. See WP:UP for what is and is not appropriate for User pages. David notMD (talk) 18:28, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rrthakur22 has since revised own User page. David notMD (talk) 14:17, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If my article was moved to Draftspace, shouldn't the language that I copied from also be moved?[edit]

You see, I had made a translated page from Russian to English, and it got moved to draftspace. I added every cite there and it was still moved. Therefore, shouldn't the russian version be moved to Draftspace as well? Kxeon (talk) 17:22, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Kxeon: Each language Wikipedia is different and operates by different rules. Something that is acceptable for main space on a foreign language Wikipedia may not be acceptable on the English Wikipedia, because the English Wikipedia has more stringent criteria for inclusion than other language Wikipedias.
If you are referring to Draft:Vitaly Pishchenko, it violates multiple guidelines: WP:CREATIVE, WP:BLP, and WP:GNG. See Wikipedia:Golden rule for an overview of what is required for main space articles here. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:28, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And on top of all that, @Kxeon, I'm afraid there's one more thing - you didn't attribute your translation. Please take a look at Help:Translation. (talk) 17:38, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The other thing to say is, you may well be right. Many (probably all) Wikipedias - including English Wikipedia - have many many substandard articles which, if they were presented for review in en-wiki today, would not be accepted. Unfortunately, few editors are interested in spending the time going through them improving or deleting them. See other stuff exists. ColinFine (talk) 17:58, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And while I'm at it, what about the Ukrainian version? That has no cites AT ALL. Shouldn't that be deleted? Or is the rule just missing from the Ukrainian wikipedia entirely? Kxeon (talk) 20:59, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Kxeon: Same situation. You can try to nominate it for deletion there if you want, and see what happens. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 21:13, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And how would I do that??? Kxeon (talk) 22:02, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Kxeon, English language Teahouse hosts cannot provide detailed instructions about Ukrainian Wikipedia. You will have to read their deletion policies and procedures. Cullen328 (talk) 22:18, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Kxeon, please follow the guidance at uk:ВП:КРВИЛ and uk:ВП:ВИЛ. Mathglot (talk) 01:25, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"Take it to the talk page" unresolved?[edit]

Repeatedly we are told to take proposals and potential changes to talk pages so they can be discussed and others can agree that something is good for the article. What are you supposed to do when you make a post on the Talk Page, and flat out nobody responds? For example if I make a post on a talk page along the lines of "I don't think this paragraph should be on this page, it's not relevant to the article", perhaps I made this post because I tried to be BOLD but my removal of the paragraph was reverted, but then nobody answers. I'm still sitting here strongly believing that the paragraph should be removed, but nobody is providing me any argument for why it should stay. Yet I know that if I try to be BOLD again, I'll just be reverted again and possibly even be warned for "disruptive editing". So, what do you do when a Talk Page request is left completely unresolved? 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:1D22:1331:97B:AE3E (talk) 02:48, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, IP editor. There are various forms of dispute resolution available to you. Perhaps a Request for comment might be a good choice in your situation. RFCs draw in uninvolved experienced editors. Cullen328 (talk) 02:55, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You and Sportsfan 1234 have verged on edit warring, have had discussions on each others' Talk page, and most recently (today) at Talk:The Amazing Race. Either wait to see if more people weigh in there, or per Cullen328 advice, go to RFC. Remember to be polite. David notMD (talk) 04:42, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If it's a dispute between just two editors, Wikipedia:Third opinion is a good option, and the response time is pretty good too. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:43, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, create a subsection on the article talk page where each of you presents their position as succinctly as possible (don't expect uninvolved editors to read all the past talk page discussion!), and ask for a third opinion. It works great. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ) 09:16, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A revert does not equal an edit war, please be careful with your words. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 14:54, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


How can I change template from music artist to person (info box)? I need to add an "eduction" section to the info box Deric Angelettie. How do I know what to "clean up" on the wike page I've edited? SSP-TPP (talk) 03:57, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, @SSP-TPP: sorry your question took so long to be answered. If you just switched {{infobox musical artist}} with {{infobox person}}, that would let you use the |education= parameter, but it would render several other artist-specific parameters invalid. To get round this you want to create a person infobox and embed the original artist infobox within it, being careful move parameters like |birth date= out of the child infobox and into the parent. small jars tc 08:45, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Do all references need to be in English?  

And, following on from that, is Wikipedia sort of a series of entirely separate Wikipedias for each of the supported languages?

I tried to link something on the Chinese Wikipedia page and couldn't figure it out.


(from someone who has been editing for only a week) Daisy Katz (talk) 04:17, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Daisy Katz: References are not required to be in English. Each different language of Wikipedia is a different encyclopedia with different rules, guidelines, and policies, but they are all part of the Wikimedia foundation. If I want to link to an article from a sister project, like Spanish Wikipedia, I would type [[:es:Mexico|]] which produces Mexico. See Help:Interwiki linking for more info. ––FormalDude talk 04:25, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sister projects, got it. nameinchinese Thanks again! Daisy Katz (talk) 04:36, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Daisy Katz: two additional points to bear in mind:
  1. please keep in mind that you should not cite a Wikipedia article (of any language) as a reference in support of a statement of fact, unless it satisfies the exceptions listed at WP:CIRCULAR. You can, however, re-cite references that you came across in the page from another language (but check that the reference says what the articles think it says before citing it).
  2. when making interlanguage links in mainspace articles, you should probably use the template {{ill|name of the page|language code}}; as Template:Interlanguage_link#Link_to_one_foreign_language explains, this creates a link to the English page if it exists and otherwise makes it (somewhat) clear to the reader that the link will take them to a page from a different language. If I read an article about, say, Indian independence, and click on a blue link to learn more about an obscure figure, I would be surprised to land on a page in Hindi (a language I cannot read) without warning; that sort of thing is called an "Easter egg" link, and should be avoided.
TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 08:29, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the tips! Yea, I was thinking about that today. I have never hit a link to another language in all my years of using Wikipedia. Yet, soon as I did my first page, backlinking to the Chinese page was my first instinct for some reason. Daisy Katz (talk) 11:30, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What counts as a News source?[edit]

Newbie Question 3…

Is there an approved list of journals/news sources for referencing?

If it’s a new site that is behind a paywall for example, is that OK?

In the semiconductor industry (where I’m editing), we use manly quite niche blogs, and zeens which I don't think would cut if for citing an edit. Daisy Katz (talk) 04:25, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

See WP:RSPS for some news sources that are commonly used. And yes, sites can be used even if they are behind paywalls. Blogs can’t be used though, since WP:BLOG applies as a rule. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 04:27, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Got it thanks, so for example is probably the main news source for electrical engineering, but it’s obviously not on the WP:RSPS as its quite industry specific. Would I still reference this as a news article or just a general link? What’s the best etiquette? Daisy Katz (talk) 04:49, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Daisy, to answer your question more directly, no, there is no such list. In a way, it's more the other way around: there's a list of sources you *shouldn't* use, but everything else you can, as long as it meets the basic standards of Reliable sourcing. Another thing to keep in mind, is that Being Bold is a core principle here, so if you're not sure, just go ahead and try your edit. The worst that can happen, is that another editor will disagree with it and undo it. That happens a lot when you're a new editor, and even after you're quite experienced; it's quite routine, so don't take it personally when it happens. The best editors will give you an explanation of why they undid your edit, and if they don't, you can just ask them. Hope this helps, Mathglot (talk) 04:46, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yea that's super helpful. I had my second page knocked back and it stung a little, but I'm learning that’s the way with editing. It’s not personal it’s just the process.  Thanks! Daisy Katz (talk) 04:53, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As you are new to this, consider using WP:YFA to create drafts that are then submitted to Articles for Creation (WP:AFC) for review rather than creating articles in mainspace. David notMD (talk) 05:22, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Got it, Daisy Katz (talk) 07:06, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well it looks like you're creating new articles and thus the main issue is probably going to be meeting the notability requirement. I would say there is not really a rigid rule as to what's going to satisfy notability. You can expect that a lot of people will be looking to pounce on you for creating articles that they feel don't meet this criteria. Tread carefully. Fabrickator (talk) 05:22, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Daisy Katz, there are countless reliable sources that are not listed at WP:RSPS because they are uncontroversial. Examples might be daily newspapers in medium sized cities that have been published for many decades. Or various journals published by respected universities or historical or scientific societies. If nobody ever challenges these sources, there is no point in listing them at RSPS, because that page would become unwieldy. One of the skills that Wikipedia editors need to develop is the ability to go to the website of a publication and quickly determine whether or not it is reliable. There are borderline cases, but often it is very easy to look at pages like "about us" or "staff" or "history" and determine whether it has professional editorial control or not. And skimming a few articles will reveal whether the publication produces serious journalism, or it traffics in clickbait sensationalism, scandal mongering and spreading conspiracy theories. Cullen328 (talk) 06:30, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That make sense. Daisy Katz (talk) 07:05, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the tip. I just thought creating stub pages for Billion dollar companies in English wouldn’t really be challenging for notability. Here's an example Rambus is a US semiconductor company and there giant billion dollar Taiwanese companies like, SPIL, EDOM Technology and a bunch of other ones that don’t have a page in English. Most of the content written about them however is in Chinese. Daisy Katz (talk) 07:21, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry if that sounded like a rant. I guess I have been using Wikipedia for years, relying on its validity as an impartial source of information. However, I never really appreciated the work involved until I stepped behind the curtain a little. I for sure never imagined the amount of work still needed to do in documenting our world.   Daisy Katz (talk) 07:30, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Most people can't imagine the amount of work required to create a decent well-formed article with adequate referencing, and they are surprised or angry when their submissions are declined or rejected. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:41, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I feel embarrassed, to be honest, for not thinking about it until now and taking Wikipedia for granted.
Two biggest surprises in two days of editing…
1.     The number of visits to banal pages that I thought only I was visiting.
2.     The number of individual editors involved in putting those pages together Daisy Katz (talk) 11:38, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Daisy Katz, I have access to the Financial Times and Washington Post, which are paywalled and will be of great use if you plan on writing company articles. If you need any of their articles, feel free to reach out to me and I'll be more than glad to send you the text over email. Are you familiar with WP:Resource exchange? — Ixtal ( T / C ) Join WP:FINANCE! 11:59, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Daisy Katz Per your example, Rambus has been an article since 2004, and has accrued more than 500 edits from dozens and dozens of editors. For a draft to be accepted, it does not need to be that long, nor have that many references, but the references need to be independent of the company, from reliable sources, and more than just a mention of the company by name. As noted earlier, refs do not need to be in English, but having no refs in English will likely increase the time between submitting an AfC and it being reviewed, as reviewers pick what they want to do next. David notMD (talk) 11:53, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

SpongeBob SquarePants episode list edit request[edit]

I notice that the season 12 segment count on the SpongeBob SquarePants episode list says 48 segments. However, I counted 49. I have an edit request to fixed that, and nothing else. So, can I fix that? LeotheBoy1110 (talk) 05:18, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@LeotheBoy1110: If the number is obviously incorrect, then yes, go ahead, be WP:BOLD and fix it, unless the article is protected so you can't, in which case an edit request is the best option. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:38, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In general, LeotheBoy1110, I'd second Anachronist's advice and recommend that you directly fix things that are apparently errors—just be aware that being reverted isn't meant as a personal slight. Bold edits and reverts are a healthy part of community editing.
In this particular case, however, SpongeBob SquarePants (season 12) also says thatIt consists of 26 half-hours of 48 segments so I counted myself and got 48. Perhaps the discrepancy comes from you counting the two-episode but single segment "SpongeBob's Big Birthday Blowout" twice? — Bilorv (talk) 15:01, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh okay. I didn't know that "Big Birthday Blowout" was all one segment. Thanks for letting me know. LeotheBoy1110 (talk) 22:12, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How to download videos[edit]

I try to download a video but it doesn't work (talk) 08:34, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

From which WP-article are you trying to download a video? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:39, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's okay I figured it out thank you (talk) 08:51, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Draft Article[edit]

Hello, Hope you are well, thanks for everybody helping in my queries in Wikipedia. It's great to be here editing and learning many new things. Today I have written an article; a draft article so before I submit it, I would like some feedback and whether it's is good enough to be an article of Wikipedia and if they are any copyright violations. Below is a link to my draft article. Thanks. Dane Khan (talk) 10:09, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Putting the matter of copyright violation aside for a moment, Dane Khan, no it's not good enough. It makes little sense (I don't even know whether it's about one model of watch, one "collection", or several "collections"), and it cites no reliable sources whatever. I infer that you don't understand basic facts about Wikipedia. Please digest Help:Introduction/All. -- Hoary (talk) 11:15, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Given that the article Blancpain about the watch company has a subsection about its Fifty Fathom watches, I suggest you tag your draft for immediate deletion by putting Db-author inside double curly brackets {{ }} at the top of the page, and instead work on improving the Blancpain article - with references. David notMD (talk) 12:01, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Name of God[edit]

When I what does Hashem mean in arabic or in islam, I get a listing from Wikipedia that it means name of God.When I look at the Wikipedia page it tells me this is the name of God in Hebrew and mentions something about arabic.I think there is something wrong here. (talk) 10:31, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please do not post the same question both here and at the Help Desk. Any answers should be posted there - Arjayay (talk) 10:50, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For what it's worth, Hashem is not the name of God in Judaism. More correctly, it is a euphemism or substitute for God's various names. Highly observant Jews only use the actual names during formal worship. Hashem literally means "the name" and is used as a substitute in more casual conversation. See Names of God in Judaism for more information. Cullen328 (talk) 16:41, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The murder of Adrian Donohoe[edit]

I have edited the wrong information available on the above subject with regard the name of the correct forensic pathologist who handled the entire case of scene visit and the autopsy of the murdered cop, Adrian Donohoe in Ireland. I was then informed by Wikipedia that my corrections are not verified. This is insulting and leaves one a lot of doubt about the quality of the information present on your web site. For your information it was not Marie Cassidy who handled the examination of the body of the Adrian Donohoe, RIP, but it was Dr. Khalid Jaber Kjpath (talk) 10:33, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Courtesy: Murder of Adrian Donohoe David notMD (talk) 12:03, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Kjpath Your first effort was reverted because while you removed the unreferenced content identifying Marie Cassidy as preforming the autopsy, you did not provide a reference in support of naming Khalid Jaber. You have since repeated the revision with two URLs that identify Jaber as having visited the murder site and performing the subsequent autopsy, but not in an accepted reference format. I converted one into reference format. David notMD (talk) 12:12, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Need help for clean up[edit]

need help on clean up and copy edits on Tolibian Dorathy Nnaji (talk) 11:43, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! I've gone through it a bit. It is overall a pretty good article :). Not everyone at the Teahouse has the time to go through random articles. In the future, you can either tag it with copyedit or ask someone in the GOCE (which I am a part of) to do it. However, those measures are usually only taken with long/especially important articles. Have a good day/night!
Asparagusus (interaction) 13:36, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you and i really appreciate you time, God bless, please quick one what does it take for the article to be reviewed, Thank you so much once again! Bless Dorathy Nnaji (talk) 13:55, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You did not go through Articles for creation (WP:AFC), instead creating Tolibian in article main space. Hence, no AfC review. This will probably be looked at by a person from New Pages Patrol (WP:NPP) who may decide to approve, convert to a draft for more work, or delete. There is a large backlog of articles at NPP, so this may take months. David notMD (talk) 14:13, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You would be much more likely to pass NPP if you placed whichever citation you think covers Tolibain in most depth and is WP:INDEPENDENT of him into the WP:lead, since that's the bit most likely to be read. Although your article follows the correct formatting of inline citations, the current reference #1 is a mere sentence about him and many of the other citations I clicked were either based on interviews or were links to his music in various online places, which could be construed as WP:SPAM rather than references. Have any reputable critics reviewed his work (or part of it) in detail? The reviews don't have to be in English and given he is Nigerian they may not be. Currently, I don't think that WP:NMUSIC is met. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:31, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Is there any helpful way in which I can learn how to write in references which go alongside with a PDF or a book which doesn't have that much information on it (e.g its Authord and title aren't shown in a books preview or there's no preview at all)? Because I'm trying to learn how to site those things for an Article which is currently in my sandbox. I appreciate any answers to this question and will take any tip.Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 1:02, August 12 2022 (UTC) Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 12:02, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Replying to my comment: I know how to site books like The rise Of animals, although the books which don't share a lot of information about who made it, authors etc. I don't.Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 06:58, 1 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Rugoconites Tenuirugosus: your references included a rather obscure way to reach DOIs but the DOI themselves are fine and can be used to generate full cites. I've done one and will explain on your Talk Page what I did. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:37, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I checked it, I'll be using your method for future ways. Thank you so much for your help.Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 1:02, August 12 2022 (UTC) Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 12:02, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How to access .ris files from Wikipedia Library[edit]

I have a suitable resource I've found searching on the Wikipedia Library, but it's a .ris file and none of my applications can open it. I searched online, and apparently it's a sort of specialized bibliographic file format. I cannot download any applications to access it. Can you please help? Thanks, — VORTEX3427 (Talk!) 12:03, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Vortex3427 There's a free online converter to standard .pdf format at this URL. Disclaimer: I haven't tried it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:30, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I hadn't heard of this format before I saw your question, but from what I can see, it's simply a way of storing superficial information about a reference, sometimes including the abstract, so there's probably no hope of retrieving the actual text of the resource from it. If you drag it into a simple text editor program like Notepad or Textedit, you should be able to read this information in a textual format. small jars tc 12:33, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I got the URL from Word, which led me to an open-access document. — VORTEX3427 (Talk!) 12:35, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Content Removal[edit]

I could not understand why my edits to the page Aam Aadmi Party removed. I had added information from reliable sources and that pertains to the topic, although it was critical information. Please restore the information under the Funding section. Rrthakur22 (talk) 14:15, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pinging Venkat TL in case they'd like to expand upon their edit summary for the edit in question. — Bilorv (talk) 14:54, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Better place for a dicussion would be the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 09:39, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Author: SUZY KLINE[edit]

"Herbie Jones and the Class Gift"("illustrated by Richard Williams")/*Puffin Books*/(*Kline, Suzy. "Herbie Jones and the class gift." "Reprint. Originally published: New York: Putnam's, 1987." "Summary: Disaster strikes when Annabelle trusts Herbie Jones and Raymond with the job of picking up the class's gift to their teacher." "(1. Schools-Fiction. 2. Gifts-Fiction. 3. Humorous stories)" "I. Williams, Richard, ill." "II. Title." "PZ7.K6797Hg 1989 (Fic)" "88-30556" "ISBN 0-14-032723-1"* (*Set in Caledonia*) (talk) 14:33, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Welcome to the Teahouse. Did you have a question to ask about using or editing Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:36, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Courtesy link to Suzy Kline, a seriously under-referenced and undeveloped article. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 14:51, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Will this article pass if I submit it for review?[edit]

I want to know Draft:Baqibillah Mishkat Chowdhury Is the article worth submitting for review? Prince Tuhin13 (talk) 15:00, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Prince Tuhin13: the best way to find out, is to submit it for review. There's no harm in getting a "decline" on a submitted Draft; in fact, it can help you by giving you an evaluation by an experienced editor about exactly what needs to be improved. Before you do, though, have a look at Help:Your first article; do *you* think your Draft meets all the recommendations there? If not, go improve it. If yes, submit it! Mathglot (talk) 17:38, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would clean up the Name and lineage section. It is difficult to understand the writing in that section. If I am understanding the writing and the cited references, this information is mostly about Chandpur, so it might be helpful for a Wikipedia article on Chandpur, but most of it is not needed for an article about a person from Chandpur. Good luck to you! Larry Hockett (Talk) 17:51, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As someone who works on Articles For Creation (i.e. reviewing draft articles) it is close but there is some text that needs work to make it more neutral and read better. Gusfriend (talk) 10:32, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Image copyright for AlertWildfire camera images[edit]

Hello! Not sure if this is a Wikimedia or WIkipedia question specifically. I'm trying to suss out whether it's acceptable to upload and use still images from the AlertWildfire camera system for articles. Some already do, like Electra Fire (2022), and they're frequently used in news articles (example). Many wildfires don't have very good images available through firefighting agencies (who have bigger priorities, I guess!) or or civilians/press, since they're often remote and inaccessible. Being able to use AlertWildfire stills would be a big help, but I'd rather not find out when someone more discerning has to delete my image.

The copyright situation seems tricky- the organization is a consortium of a couple western state unis, utilities, and CA government institutions. No copyright details have been found anywhere, to my knowledge. Penitentes (talk) 15:10, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi @Penitentes: It looks like the images are from various sources (as from the watermarks). The example you have linked claims to be from California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, which would be a government photo from California (public domain) You can click on the image to reveal more details. For example, the copyright information for your example can be found at File:2022-July Electra Fire south of Sacramento.jpg. 0xDeadbeef 15:32, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The name beneath the photo corresponds to the account that moved the camera last (usually Cal Fire or other firefighting personnel, sometimes utility companies, etc.). So I wasn't sure if that meant they 'owned' the photo. I suppose it may be a difficult question for the Teahouse, I might email them to ascertain copyright. Penitentes (talk) 15:36, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Draft declined[edit]

Hello! I posted this Draft:Elliot Tebele and it was declined for not being notable and not in a neutral tone. I am looking for some feedback for how to improve both issues as I felt everything was properly sourced and not biased in any way.

Thank you so much in advance! :) Strawberrytsunami (talk) 16:29, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Strawberrytsunami:, You can improve a non-neutral tone, but if the topic is not notable, it would be a waste of time to improve the tone, because a Draft for a non-notable topic will never be accepted, no matter what changes you make to the article. Your only choice is to challenge the notability of the topic (difficult, not impossible); see the next section below. Mathglot (talk) 17:22, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Strawberrytsunami: - I just improved the article by adding more independent third party media coverage, and removing the poor sources. Social media influencers are treated harshly here, because so many of them try to boost their cred by getting a Wikipedia article, when followers is their only sign of notability. In this case, with the related media coverage I found, there's enough about him to get this approved. But I'll let fresh eyes decide to resubmit it or move it to mainspace. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 20:09, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Draft Declined (2)[edit]

Hello! I posted this Draft:Brenda Matos Fadholi and it was declined for not being notable. I am looking for some feedback for how to improve both issues as I felt everything was properly sourced and not biased in any way.

Thank you so much in advance! :) Tosoratto (talk) 17:07, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Tosoratto:, if a topic is not WP:Notable, then it doesn't get to have an article on Wikipedia, because it isn't important enough. Notability is about the topic itself, and not about what is, or isn't, in the article. For example, there will never be an article Blue screwdrivers in Wikipedia, because it is not a notable topic. So, to answer your question: there is *nothing* you can do to the article. On the other hand, if you believe the assessment of the topic not being notable is incorrect, you could challenge it on that basis; but that has a different focus than just "improving the article". It's a bit subtle: do you see the point? However, the people who assess notability of new drafts are pretty experienced, and rarely get it wrong, so it would be an uphill battle, especially for a new editor. Hope this helps, Mathglot (talk) 17:33, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Tosoratto: Have a look at Wikipedia:Golden rule, which provides a brief overview of what's expected before an article can be published. Your draft is insufficiently sourced. If that were published, it would be speedily deleted in accordance with WP:CSD#A7 because there is no credible claim of significance given. Being a model who has had a secondary role in a television series doesn't qualify for notability; see also WP:NACTOR. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:11, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Molang article almostly blanked[edit]


I saw that the Molang article in Wikipedia is almostly blanked leaving just the lead section, plot and series overview (the latter was just simply "

SeasonEpisodesOriginally aired
First airedLast aired

Closed the template to prevent syntax highlighting from acting up. weeklyd3 (block | talk | contributions) 16:43, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I need help with making a draft for Maiocercus. somehow, when I tried to move it into being a draft from sandbox it got fused with rugoconites tenuirugosus and I cannot undo that. I'm trying desperately in order to get it back and I'll thankfully appreciate any response as fast as possible since i'm extremely worried I won't be able to fix it. Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 19:07, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, Rugoconites Tenuirugosus! I moved the talk page for Rugoconites tenuirugosus back to its original title, and the draft talk for Maiocercus back as well. I haven't done many moves, so I may have missed a redirect or two and you may want to check that everything's on the right page now, but I think they're separate at this point. Best, Perfect4th (talk) 19:36, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Don't worry, you did everything correctly and I would also like you thank you a lot for fixing it. Best, Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 20:45, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I've tried to edit a semi protected page but it seems I need to be autoconfirmed. I have made over 10 edits and have been a wiki registered editor for a lot longer than four days. Any ideas why this is the case. Beautifulscarlet (talk) 19:57, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What is the article? PRAXIDICAE🌈 20:03, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You are absolutely autoconfirmed:[1], so that's not it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:16, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Beautifulscarlet, welcome to the Teahouse. Maybe you saw a red box saying "Note: This page is semi-protected so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it. If you need help getting started with editing, please visit the Teahouse." It's just a note. You can still edit the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:44, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Suggested edits aged over 3 months - No response[edit]

Regarding this Talk Page Talk:Software Guard Extensions#Conflict of Interest Edit Request

The article about Intel Software Guard Extensions has a large number of inaccuracies and poor information but as an Intel employee, I cannot edit directly due to a conflict of interest. I submitted a list of edit requests back in April 2022 and it looks like no changes have been made by the editors. When I submitted in April, it said the backlog was 156 edits and now it is 210. Every week we have to dissuade customers about errors they read on Wikipedia about on Intel Software Guard Extension. I am trying to be respectful of the conflict of interest rules and understand Wikipedia is a volunteer effort, but is there any way to get editor attention on this page and get some of this misinformation fixed? Please advise. Thank you! MFJpdxOR (talk) 20:42, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, MFJpdxOR. You should provide reliable sources that are independent of Intel. A Wikipedia article about a company product should not be a company brochure. You have your own website for that. Cullen328 (talk) 20:57, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also, MFJpdxOR, you need to make the mandatory Paid contributions disclosure. Cullen328 (talk) 21:01, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Cullen328, @MFJpdxOR It seems that this one is tricky, because Intel certainly knows more about how Software Guard Extensions actually work than anyone else. Regarding sources that are independent of Intel, Intel knows the facts. And yes, the temptation is always there for a company to write glowingly about its own products.
Even a write up at Tom's Hardware or a similar site, which could be used as a reference, might be based on info from Intel. We don't want a company brochure, but inaccuracies in technical articles don't help anyone.
Would a paid contributions disclosure, along with edit requests, achieve the objective -- if the edit requests are ever worked on? (talk) 07:45, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, IP editor. I have owned a successful small business for 29 years and think in my own mind that I have a far deeper understanding of the challenges and opportunities that my small business faces than anyone else. But that stuff simply does not belong on Wikipedia. An acceptable Wikipedia article summarizes what reliable sources that are entirely independent of the topic say about the topic. Unless we are firm and unswerving about sticking to this core principle, the encyclopedia would rapidly devolve to a massive collection of marketing brochures with zero credibility. Intel is perfectly free to express their expertise on their own website. Not here. Cullen328 (talk) 08:23, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


How do I address a disambiguation page? While there are several pages with the name Greg Williams. The one that matches my person appears to be abandoned and incomplete and never published. (The disambiguation page for the primary name is Greg Williams (disambiguation) Kamdigroup (talk) 00:16, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Kamdigroup: There's no reason for you to address a disambiguation page; you're better served telling us what Greg Williams it is rather than being completely and pointlessly vague. I would also very strongly advise you to rename your account to one that doesn't imply corporate/shared use.Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 00:37, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi @Kamdigroup, welcome to the Teahouse. I see you've created Draft:Gregory Williams; I'm not sure which article you're talking about being abandoned, incomplete and never published, since I couldn't find any other drafts about him in a quick search. The disambig page currently has a listing for him which links to Switch (band). Since the band has an article and he doesn't yet, that's the correct way to do things. What problem do you see - what are you trying to fix? (talk) 00:50, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And with that draft in hand.... oof.
The draft is also impenetrable as written, written as more or less a whole chunky section of text, and is woefully undersourced to boot. There is no chance this article gets accepted under any circumstances in the state it is presently in. What is your connexion to Williams?Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 01:05, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I edited a page to turn the name of a topic into a link. The topic was more obscure than the links surrounding it, yet it was reverted as non constructive. What makes a link edit constructive? 2600:1700:1043:4270:9125:53CE:63CF:F305 (talk) 00:44, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

IP, you're going to have to be more specific (i.e. link to the diff or indicate the page), as this section is the only edit under this IPv6 address. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 00:45, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jéské Couriano Just as a point of information: when you want to see the edits made by an IPv6 user, you need to look at not just their current address, but the entire /64 range they're likely to have used. To do that just add /64 to the end of the url at their special contributions page. That would have given you this set of edits. Hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:51, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm absolutely ass when it comes to actual range calculation. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 00:53, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry, here's the link. 2600:1700:1043:4270:9125:53CE:63CF:F305 (talk) 00:46, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My guess would be due to the link not being on a single line? The closing double-squares for the link come after a newline. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 00:49, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks. Would have been easier if I was told my mistake. 2600:1700:1043:4270:9125:53CE:63CF:F305 (talk) 00:51, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Another point of information for you, IP editor. To make a standard wikilink display in the plural, you don't need to add a pipe and repeat the text in the plural form. Instead, just put an 's' immediately after the closing double square brackets. The software will recognise this is a plural, and display it as such. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:56, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For example, [[PK machine gun]]s becomes PK machine guns. There was no reason to warn you. I suspect the user who warned you didn't detect what your edit did. The diff [2] may at first look like you removed or broke something. Editors should examine diffs better before giving warnings but they don't always. There has been more than a billion edits to the English Wikipedia and sometimes things go too fast. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:08, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The warning [3] was made with Twinkle, a tool which can revert edits and post such warnings in seconds. We get millions of bad edits and such tools are helpful but require care. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:13, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Requesting an article[edit]

I am trying to request an article be written about me Aleu123 (talk) 02:07, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Aleu123, I'll be straight with you. I doubt you would be considered notable according to Wikipedia standards. Wikipedia has a fairly high bar to reach to have an article about someone. For someone in a sport like basketball it would require them to have played in the NBA or similar league and have multiple reliable sources write and publish articles about them. Until you can provide any evidence of these criteria an article will most likely not be in your future. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 02:14, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So many people want others to write articles about them, Aleu123. Spectator sports is a blank to me, so I'm not qualified to judge from your user page whether you're a notable basketball player; but if you are, then basketball-appreciating editors will eventually create an article about you without any prodding. -- Hoary (talk) 02:17, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The sources on your userpage are utterly useless, doubly so in a post-individual-games world where professional play is not a marker of notability. We need more than statlines, bleacher reports, and wishing for an article. If an agent is demanding a Wikipedia article for you, fire them because they and anyone who relies on Wikipedia for personnel decisions in professional sports (where there is far better and far more detailed information available from more reputable sources) is a *(%^&$% idiot. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 02:19, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Aleu123: I see you’re going into your senior year. I hope you have a great season. It’s TOOSOON because there’s not enough written about you yet. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 03:11, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How to get Draft AfC Submissions reviewed faster[edit]

I am trying to figure out a way so that Draft AfC submissions can be published to mainspace in less than 4 months. May I know how article review works as well? WikiNarco (talk) 05:17, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@WikiNarco: The review process works the same way everything else on Wikipedia does - a volunteer will get to it when they get to it. There is no formal queue, and reviewers are not assigned to articles. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 05:30, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Your draft Draft:Lucas Lynggaard Tønnesen has not been submitted yet? Theroadislong (talk) 05:39, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not yet @Theroadislong apparently it didn't fit the guidelines (WP:NOACTOR and WP:GNG). Is there any other source that I can use to fit this criteria? (articles that encompasses this subject is hard to find) WikiNarco (talk) 05:45, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
if sources are hard to find, it is a sure indication that the topic is not yet notable. Theroadislong (talk) 05:57, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, WikiNarco. Here is how to get an AFC draft accepted quickly. Write your draft about an indisputably notable topic, namely one which has received significant coverage in multiple, independent reliable sources. These need to be sources of such high quality that no reasonable Wikipedia editor would challenge them. Present these sources as clean, well formatted references with complete bibliographic detail. Now, write neutral prose that summarizes what the reliable sources say about the topic and makes it clear why the topic is notable. Add your references inline. Do not try to pad your draft with mediocre references because quality is far more important than quantity. Do not write anything even slightly promotional and do not add endless detail. Be concise but briefly summarize all the main points that the reliable sources make. Drafts like this are accepted rapidly. On the other hand, editors who try to push through puffed up drafts about topics of dubious notability, crammed full of references to unreliable sources, and unreferenced praise or criticism of the topic, should not be surprised that their draft ends up stalled or rejected. Quality over quantity. Cullen328 (talk) 06:21, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks @Cullen328 WikiNarco (talk) 08:37, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It is also worth noting that most drafts are looked at within a week or so and 4 months is generally for the problematic ones. Also AfC averages over 100 submissions a day so the 31 that were submitted 4 months ago are all that is left from over 3,000. Gusfriend (talk) 10:42, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

speedy deletion[edit]

Could somebody give me the link to where I can nominate an article for speedy deletion? Not the rules or a guide or a template or anything like that but the place where I can. I've been looking for more than 45 minutes! Dutchy45 (talk) 05:50, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi @Dutchy45 — there is no place to request speedies (or at least I don't know of one!); you do it by tagging an article individually, using the relevant db template. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:55, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ah, ok thanks. I've already done that. Dutchy45 (talk) 05:58, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Dutchy45 Welcome to Teahouse! I would recommend installing WP:TWINKLE if you haven't already. It simplifies nominating articles for deletion and also notifying the article creator. I noticed many of your edits do not have an Help:Edit summary, which I would strongly encourage to make it easier for people checking a Watch list or in my case, searching for what pages you may have nominated for deletion. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 09:16, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Article pending publishing[edit]

I have written a biography on an existing person. It is now pending review. Could someone here assist with reviewing so that the page goes live? Leo Muzivoreva (talk) 09:44, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Leo Muzivoreva Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you have an association with this person, please read about conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures. Declaring paid editing or a paid relationship is a Terms of Use requirement.
I assume you refer to Draft:Abel Tatenda Nyawanhu. It is far from ready to be accepted, as it does not summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable musician. 331dot (talk) 09:50, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Unlikely to be that draft, which was declined in December after submission and doesn't seem to be currently awaiting re-review. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:21, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Or are you referring to the content on your user page(which actually is not for drafting an article, but for telling about yourself as an editor). 331dot (talk) 09:52, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Leo Muzivoreva WRONG PLACE! The draft you created on your User page is about to be deleted, with no record of it ever existing. Quickly copy if to off Wikipedia or to your Sandbox if you intend to create an article. Then, use WP:YFA to create and submit a draft. If it is deleted before you are able to transfer it, you can ask the deleting Administrator to help recover it. (Note: If there was a copyright infringement, i.e., content copied from a website, then it cannot be recovered.) David notMD (talk) 14:01, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Note - NONE of the references establish notability. The draft has lots of information about him that is not referenced. All content on living people needs to be verified by references. Referencing individual songs not needed. Delete all APPLE MUSIC refs to the actual songs and albums, which equals all of your references. David notMD (talk) 14:05, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikipedia:Translation/Karasuma Strret[edit]

Hello! Please, delete redirect with mistake, thanks. Станислав Савченко (talk) 10:58, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You have already tagged it for deletion. An admin will most likely delete the page soon. Kpddg (talk) 12:15, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Admin en-wiki, thank you for your deletion and thank you for your help!  Done--Станислав Савченко (talk) 14:39, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Question about WP:BLP and similar in relation to two extensive "crime" list articles[edit]


I was by coincidence made aware of two related, in my view very difficult list articles: List of major crimes in Singapore (2000–present) & List of major crimes in Singapore (before 2000). They both seem to contain a significant amount of "regular" crimes, or crimes where the name of victims and/or perpetrators might reasonably not appear on Wikipedia. I'm not sure about our exact policy as I had yet had little to worry about WP:BLP and similar, so I'd like the input of the expertise frequently to be found around here. I'm especially worried about phrases like "If found guilty", which indicate that the accused (with names given!) are sometimes not yet even convicted.

I'd like to add that we don't have anything remotely similar for other countries, e.g. only listing terrorist incidents and serial killers with their own article for France. -- LordPeterII (talk) 11:11, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Both articles begin with a link to the article Crime in Singapore, which iself starts its lede with "In Singapore, crime rates are some of the lowest in the world."
Perhaps therefore the standard of what constitutes "major" (and indeed 'notable') crimes in Singapore is lower than what might be the case elsewhere.
[Personal disclosure: as a small boy I lived in Singapore for a year – but for chance, the three deaths in the first incident entered for 1965 would have been five, with my mother and myself included.] {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 20:31, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I did some cleanup on the most recent years, removing names of those not convicted and one police shooting as it did not seem to match the theme of page. The Crime in Singapore page could use some love, which would make it clearer whether the lists are needed. Slywriter (talk) 23:49, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Are movie reviews considered reliable if used as a source while creating a celebrity page? PravinGanechari (talk) 15:39, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Movie reviews usually comprise mainly of feedback about the movie, with very little focus on the actor. It may praise their performance, but that is a passing mention. The subject should have significant coverage, which directly addresses them. So though they can be put in an article about a celebrity, I do not think that they can be used to establish notability. Kpddg (talk) 15:52, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
They can be, if they are from a WP:RS. They don't necessarily help they case for WP:N. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:56, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Like many sources, it depends on the depth of coverage of the celebrity in question. If you look at our page WP:RSPS, PravinGanechari and search for the word "film", you'll see how we view individual sources in general. So IMDB is no good but Rotten Tomatoes is usually fine. You can ask about a specific source that does give an in-depth review you are thinking of using at the reliable sources noticeboard. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:58, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, PravinGanchari, and welcome to the Teahouse. Others have addressed your question; but (at the risk of sounding pedantic) I want to suggest that you think of the activity you are doing not as "creating a celebrity page" but as "writing an encyclopaedia article about the celebrity". ColinFine (talk) 17:21, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi ColinFine, Vidisha (actress) page has four movie reviews of two movies. I was going to bring that page to Afd as GNG is not passing. So I asked that question ( But now I have found two sources and added them to the page). Thanks for answering the question. PravinGanechari (talk) 02:22, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ardennes Fury is not a True Story![edit]

Why haven't you taken away the category of "World War II films based on actual events" if you are supposed to know that Ardennes Fury is not a True Story?  2600:1700:63D1:630:35F0:E855:146A:3A75 (talk) 18:13, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! This is a place for new editors to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. Ardennes Fury's poster says that it is based on true events. Even if it is not an accurate depiction, nor was the movie meant to be serious (as it was a mockbuster), it is based on the German Ardennes offensive, so it does belong in the category "World War II films based on actual events". Have a good day/night!
Courtesy link: Ardennes Fury
Asparagusus (interaction) 18:22, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Isn't pretty much any WWII-drama based on actual events? For a certain value of "based" anyway. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:40, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's a matter of judgement – the Doctor Who episode where River Song tries to assassinate Hitler would require a very low value for "actual events", for example. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 20:35, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agree, Inglourious Basterds comes to mind. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:37, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If we are looking for well-known World War II films which are pretty far from actual events then I offer Captain America: The First Avenger. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:37, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not my favorite MCU-film, but still ok. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:23, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see neither of the films have a "historical accuracy" section, that's comforting. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:27, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Guidance About Giving References For Article[edit]

Hello all there, greetings. Kindly guide me how to give reference for an article what is an SOP for giving reference on wiki article? shahzad 18:55, 13 August 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hussayn.Shahzad (talkcontribs)

Hi Hussayn.Shahzad, welcome to the Teahouse. See Help:Referencing for beginners for some guidance on how to create inline citations, and for some information on the kind of sources reviewers will be looking for. (talk) 20:17, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Hussayn.Shahzad: If you prefer to edit using the Visual Editor, you may find this guidance page of use. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:31, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

reception on Boss Baby: Back in the Crib[edit]

Any good sources on where to find Boss Baby: Back in the Crib? BMA-Nation2020 (talk) 19:37, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi @BMA-Nation2020, welcome to the Teahouse. I think you're asking where to find sources about that series? You can try the following search links: Find sources:  (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs· FENS ·  · NYT · WP Library. (talk) 20:22, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Found one. Common Source Media. Does that help? BMA-Nation2020 (talk) 22:35, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What is "Common Source Media"? is it a website? If so, please give us a URL. The only "Commonsourcemedia" I can find is the name of an Instagram user. If that's who you mean, then no: unless tha user represents an organisation which publishes articles with a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking, then it is not a reliable source. ColinFine (talk) 22:48, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you meant Common Sense Media, then this discussion on the Reliable sources noticeboard in 2019 doesn't seem to have reached a conclusion about whether it should be regarded as reliable or not. (Note that the last posting there, which says "Generally reliable" is, I think, one of the opinions advanced in the discussion, not the conclusion of the discussion). ColinFine (talk) 22:58, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template of "Original Research" on "Paul Hartal" article[edit]


We can help with documents, references to improve the Paul Hartal article in Wikipedia. Even in its present state the Original Research template is not justified. Among the available supporting material: Plaque of Appreciation for commissioned design of the 24th Olympic Games (Seoul) sport art album project; award winning Dutch short film based on Paul Hartal's poem, "Subway'.books by noted scientists, Clifford A. Pickover, Moses Feingold on Hartal's notion of time challenging the conventional mainstream theory of time as a flying arrow. We are requesting your help.

Pranek Pranek (talk) 23:19, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Paul Hartal
@Pranek: I'm going to remove EVERYTHING that has no source from that article. Do not readd any of it without in-depth, non-routine, independent news/scholarly sources written by identifiable authors and subjected to rigourous fact-checking.Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 23:55, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And with the obvious bographical errors removed, I can see two serious issues: First, what I didn't remove is almost entirely novel synthesis (especially as regards lyrical conceptualism) and second, the article relies far too heavily on Hartal's own writings. None of the sources you offer above are any good (and if anything, gives cause to look at the whole situation here with an eye towards sanctions). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 00:11, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Pranek: Welcome to the Teahouse. On a rather unrelated note, I would like to kindly inform you that if you are sharing the account with someone else to please stop doing so, as that contravenes the encyclopedia's sockpuppetry policy. If you have any conflict of interest in regards to Hartal, please disclose that on your user page at User:Pranek. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:13, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Great minds think alike; I dropped a warning to disclose along with the ARBPS alert. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 00:19, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


unable to create my article 2407:1400:AA42:1968:A116:1B17:28C7:F3DE (talk) 01:35, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello. Looking at your contributions, it looks like your only edit was to open this thread. I don't see more edits from the whole /64 CIDR range. So please provide more details about what you were trying to do. Thank you. weeklyd3 (block | talk | contributions) 01:38, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
hi ip user! if you're trying to create an article, I'd suggest you read Reliable sources (which details what reliable sources are, which are essential for an article), Notability (which details what kinds of articles about which subjects can be created), and finally Your first article (which actually goes into detail about how you can create an article). happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 02:07, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Is it possible that you tried to create an article while logged into an account? Or was it Speedy deleted, thus showing no evidence in your history of edits? David notMD (talk) 02:18, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How do i report an IP[edit]

Hello how do you report an IP @ Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring?

I wanted to report an IP for the 3RR violation and edit warring on Amhara people article. However i couldn't report the IP, it showed red. Wanted to this yesterday, then gave up. Saw today more useless edits by this IP. Can someone tell me how to report non users? YonasJH (talk) 09:34, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Just as you'd report anyone else, I think, YonasJH. An IP number isn't a "non user"; they're a user who isn't logged in. Click on the link there that says "Click here to create a new report". You're asked to specify the user. Well, follow "User:" not with a username but instead with the IP number. -- Hoary (talk) 09:54, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
YonasJH, please note that the username showing in red merely means that the user has not created a userpage, which cannot be done as an IP and is optional for registered users. The userlinks template works for IP addresses too, e.g. {{userlinks|}} results in (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 12:39, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Merge two Articles[edit]

Can anyone please help me in merging two articles. The articles are Manju Warrier and Manju Warrier filmography. The article Manju warrier is not big and both the articles can be combined each other. So it will be helpful for the readers also. Also I am trying to make the article by adding citations and making it a good article. Anyone please help me outPaavamjinn (talk) 09:51, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello @Paavamjinn, and welcome to the Teahouse! Personally, I would recommend against merging these two articles (they are actually both quite large, and shouldn't be merged per WP:NOTMERGE, as the resulting article would be rather large). I'd recommend having a good look at WP:MERGE nonetheless, as it has a lot of useful information about merging. Good luck with improving the article, and have a great day! HenryTemplo (talk) 10:31, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I disagree with the proposal to merge those two articles, and add that the separate article listing her awards does not need to be merged either. Readers of Manju Warrier are clearly directed to the other articles if they wish to see details. David notMD (talk) 11:05, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As for raising the quality from current C-class to nominating it to be a Good article, I recommend checking all the existing references to confirm those are valid, adding references whereever there is a citation needed, or just text without references (quite a bit), also consider cutting, moving text, etc. In my opinion the 2015-present section is far too long. David notMD (talk) 11:13, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

css in userpage[edit]

Hello there,

does anyone if it's possible to change the style sheet of my userpage ? And if yes, how ?

thank you Vincent-vst (talk) 12:05, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I believe this is only possible in the template space. See TemplateStyles. Why are you trying to change the CSS on your userpage? Please remember that distrupting the MediaWiki interface is not allowed, even on userpages. small jars tc 12:18, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
thank you for your answer,
I just wanted to change the styling of my userpage, just for design purpose ... Vincent-vst (talk) 17:50, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Or perhaps are you referring to your common/common.css page, or just changing the design or layout of your userpage? Kpddg (talk) 12:43, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Farhat Abbas Shah[edit]

pride of performance

Extended puffery
Farhat Abbas Shah is one of the most leading distinguished 'and popular poet of Pakistan. He started writing poetry from a very early age. His writings were published in distinguished literary magazines of our country ' Nayarang e khayaal and Nai Qadrian due to its standard of creativity and the poetic force.
His entire work is characterized by excellence in terms of subject, and craft His Urdu poetry books have won paramount acclaim by breaking new ground and held in high esteem by the great critics of our time, who have considered his poetry as a landmark addition to the great tradition of Urdu literature. It is worth mentioning here that his books have been given different awards from time to time.
 Mr. Farhat Abbas shah is a dexterous trendsetter in Punjabi poetry. His punjabi poetry books banners new standards of Punjabi poetry. He is a promoter of social democratic and progressive platform. 
 In the landscape of literature he has brought finest contributions. His books of critical essay and his novel idea of Takhleeqiat Passand Tehreeq was widely appreciated. His work is an emblem piece of art rich in excellence and wisdome. 
 Mr. Farhat Abbas shah has annexed the poetry with phenomenal superior diction and fanciful symbols.

Mr Farhat Abbas Shah has written more than 70 urdu and punjabi poetry books.

His books on new economic theories and policies is another feather in his cap. It is not out of place to mention here that Farhat Abbas Shah, in his poetry has always spoken out not only against wars around the world but also economic injustice poverty reduction and equality in human social rights. Farhat Abbas Shah appears to be the only poet who has translated his economic vision not only into economic theory and microfinance model but also got recognition from an institution like Oxford University by doing practically successful pilot projects. A Book by Farhat Abbas Shah

World Economic Crisis, Analysis And Resolve

Contains details of his poetry being brought into the process of vision.

Mr Farhat Abbas Shah is a distinguished poet. He is a thinker ' social reformer His poetry has been translated into different languages. Mr Farhat Abbas Shah is one of the most popular and noted poet of our country . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:EA:5725:C00:511F:CF41:785A:C16E (talk) 12:50, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi IP user, welcome to the Teahouse. This is not the place to submit an article - please read and follow the directions at Help:Your first article if you'd like to submit a draft article on Farhat Abbas Shah for review. You will need to provide reliable, independent, secondary sources with significant coverage of him to prove his notability and support your facts. (talk) 14:10, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

District 9 multiple edits[edit]

An IP editor has made around 70 separate sequential edits on this article, all being unexceptional but trivial, and I wonder why. Doug butler (talk) 14:42, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You could ask on their Talk page at User talk: which they might respond to. Or you could just see if their contributions stray into disruptive editing at some point in the future. As far as I can see, this hasn't happened yet, so I'll assume good faith. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:08, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

update page[edit]

I am supposed to leave requests for edits to "Nancy Raabe" at the talk page there, but I don't think anyone sees my request. Nancy Raabe

My update request still stands, and here is an additional cite for that spot. Thank you. DaneCoGuy (talk) 15:24, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi @DaneCoGuy, welcome to the Teahouse. No one is likely to see your request unless you use the {{Request edit}} template or the Edit Request Wizard. Both of those put your request into a queue for the attention of other editors. (talk) 15:28, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Organization - how to?[edit]

How to create a wikipedia page for my organization (talk) 16:40, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply], I strongly recommend not doing so because you would have a Conflict of Interest. However, if you really want to do so, use the Article wizard to submit a draft. weeklyd3 (block | talk | contributions) 16:44, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also, please be sure that your organization is notable enough for an article, as non-notable articles are frequently declined at Articles for creation or deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. weeklyd3 (block | talk | contributions) 16:46, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And note that, if your organisation does meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and somebody creates an article about it, the article will not belong to or be controlled by your organisation, will not be for the benefit of your organisation, may contain material that you would prefer it didn't, and should be amost entirely based on what people unconnected with your organisation have chosen to publish about you (favourable or unfavourable) and not on what you or your associates say or want to say. ColinFine (talk) 16:52, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reliable Sources[edit]

I used an in depth film review from Variety Magazine as a reliable source, which I've seen in many Wikipedia articles and would also be accepted at the academic level. The film is by a notable director, as well, with an extensive Wikipedia page. I've seen comparable pages, so I really don't understand why it's not enough. Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Draft:America: Land of the FreeKS 2pisces28 (talk) 17:57, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, 2pisces28, and welcome to the Teahouse. The draft was declined not by "Wikipedia", but by the particular reviewer HenryTemplo. If you don't understand, or disagree with, the decline, the thing to do is ask HenryTemplo to explain. ColinFine (talk) 18:23, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@2pisces28 leave a message at my talk page :) HenryTemplo (talk) 18:49, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I’m looking for someone to write up a Wikipedia on me and my business. Where can I find someone to do this for me? (talk) 19:31, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Most likely you cannot. Take the time to read what's at this link: Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing.
That said, WP:s basic rule for "Should WP have an article about X?" can be read here: WP:GNG. So based on that, what are the 3-5 best sources you know that are at the same time reliably published (WP:RS), independent of you and about you in some detail? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:58, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
FWIW, IP, if anyone offers to write an article about you and your business in exchange for money, they are preying on you. If you or your business are notable, eventually someone will do it for free. Valereee (talk) 20:32, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Like you would ever do that... (and that's a joke, people) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:35, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm free, but I ain't cheap. ;) Ba-dum-tsss. Valereee (talk) 20:50, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

generate citation from isbn[edit]

As I recall, at one time I would put only the isbn in a citation, and a bot did the rest. Then I started using OttoBib. Now neither of those methods work.

What is currently the best way to generate a wikipedia citation from an isbn? Comfr (talk) 21:53, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]