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This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS. Archives of past nominations can be found here.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.

Salman Rushdie in 2018
Salman Rushdie

How to nominate an item[edit]

In order to suggest a candidate:

  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated).
    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process.
  • Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so.
    • Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense.
    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting.
  • Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page.

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There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN.

Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template.

Headers[edit]

  • Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active.
  • Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header.

Voicing an opinion on an item[edit]

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do not...[edit]

  1. add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
  2. oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is generally unproductive.
  3. accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN.
  4. comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. The criteria can be discussed at the relevant talk page.

Please be encouraged to...[edit]

  1. pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten.
  2. review an item even if it has already been reviewed by another user. Maybe the previous reviewer has missed a problem, or an identified problem has now been fixed. Piling on the list of "support!" votes may also help administrators identify items that are ready for promotion to the ITN template on MainPage.
  3. point out problematic areas in the nominated article and, if appropriate, suggest how to fix them. If you know exactly what to do, by all means, go ahead and fix it as you see fit.
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August 15[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

International relations


RD: Denise Dowse[edit]

Article: Denise Dowse (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

August 14[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents


(Posted) Giza church fire[edit]

Article: Giza church fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​At least 41 people are killed and 45 others injured after a Coptic church complex including a nursery catches fire in Giza, Egypt. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​A fire at a Coptic church in Giza, Egypt kills 41 people, including several children.
News source(s): (BBC News), AP, Reuters, France24, AlJazeera
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Breaking news so obviously article is only one line long at the moment. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:26, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support in principle. However, the article needs major expansion before this gets posted.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:44, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support in principle. This clearly needs work to be able to be posted, but I profoundly disagree with Polyamorph claiming that this dister lacks significance. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:51, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support once expanded, which Ill get to work on. nableezy - 15:58, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Think there enough here at this point, will keep working on it though. nableezy - 16:27, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support in principle, article needs more information, although the unfortunate number of losses is significant.. Alex-h (talk) 16:06, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on quality article is too short. Support it once improved. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:37, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Just so I know what people are looking for here, how long of an article do you think is necessary to post? nableezy - 16:47, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    More than 400 words. A Start class article. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:12, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Done, currently at 441 words of readable prose. nableezy - 17:24, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Is still a stub article. Perhaps with a section titled "Background" that talks about the Coptic community in Giza, the history of that church, what they were celebrating (or if it was an ordinary Sunday mass), if there is any similar precedent.... _-_Alsor (talk) 17:39, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thats just based on the assessment on the talk page though. Id say this is start class at least at this point. Ill see what I can find for background without resorting to synth though, but id expect it to take some time for that type of analysis tying together past events to happen here. nableezy - 17:46, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And done, this would now meet the DYK requirements for length (524 words, 3258 characters of readable prose) to post as well. nableezy - 18:01, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment - the title of the article is very generic; arguably it should be merged into the parent article of the subject church, which also should be updated. The blurb needs to link the article as well, currently it does not meet posting requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 17:47, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agreed on the title, added altblurb to address those issues. nableezy - 18:01, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Major disaster with significant loss of life. Article quality is now acceptable for ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:04, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support The article now meets the minimum requirements for ITNR and is a notable disaster. No longer a stub article. Good job Naableezy. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:11, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support on the basis of the quality of the article I created and the significant amount of deaths. Fixer88 (talk) 19:05, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait - there is uncertainty over the identity and location of the subject church. - Indefensible (talk) 19:07, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Dont think that matters tbh, but I *think* I have the correct location now, but either way until its verified can just keep that out. We have a name and neighborhood, dont need exact coordinates. nableezy - 19:12, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There is no need to rush, this is an encyclopedia and not a news site. - Indefensible (talk) 19:13, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Im not rushing, but the article does not have a wikilink to a church or coordinates, not having that isnt all that important. The confusion you speak of is now just on the talk page, and it shouldnt matter for our purposes here now. nableezy - 19:16, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Freya[edit]

Article: Freya (walrus) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NRK
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Count Iblis (talk) 13:34, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Oppose Only 239 words, too stubby. --Masem (t) 13:43, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem. Barely any content and only four references total.Polyamorph (talk) 13:56, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Polyamorph, if references are an issue, I can easily find and addd more, I'm just conscious of WP:OVERCITE. (Also, I must disagree with the "stubby" assessment, rater predicts Start class anyway) HenryTemplo (talk) 15:00, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      We expect articles posted to main page to be >500 words. While not a "stub", it still is too stubby for front page. Masem (t) 15:05, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      I suppose it depends on one's definition of what a stub is, which can be subjective. Regardless, I (or anyone else) can still work on and expand the article to make it more suitable for here. Have a great day! HenryTemplo (talk) 15:13, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      Start is only one up from stub. The lack of references reflects the lack of content. Polyamorph (talk) 15:39, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      The article is still in a work in progress, besides, rather that WP:CITEBOMB the article, I'd rather WP:MINE the sources I already have and expand the content of the article (although perhaps it was too soon for the ITN nomination?). If you want to find references, try googling "Freya walrus", it's pretty well covered, don't worry! Feel free to help expand the article if you want, and have a great day :) HenryTemplo (talk) 15:47, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      As I said, it's not so much about the lack of references than the lack of content.Polyamorph (talk) 16:43, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment, I'm not sure if the death of animals is a right topic for ITN. Alex-h (talk) 15:56, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    If the animal is notable enough to have its own wikiarticle, it's fine. Racehorses and popular zoo animals have gone on RD before. --PFHLai (talk) 16:05, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Alex-h: Articles about animals are occasionally posted on ITN. As the nominating template says, "any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post". Sunshineisles2 (talk) 18:43, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support, for me, if a article is long enough for DYK (which this article is), it's long enough for ITN. HenryTemplo (talk) 16:08, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. Per policy, we should not debate whether an animal (or person) is "appropriate" to appear, as per explanation included in every single nomination. We need only discuss whether the article quality suffices. And since I've just approved this for DYK, I think it's per definition now no longer a stub (was also expanded a bit recently, now at 400 words), and could appear. --LordPeterII (talk) 17:50, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    ITN requires a higher word count (500), as with RDs we are generally expecting that the article already exists, and the death confirmation is being added. Masem (t) 17:54, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    When does it get posted to DYK? Having it on both columns would be redundant. - Indefensible (talk) 18:00, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Indefensible: Unlikely anytime soon, it's not in any queue yet, only just approved.
    @Masem: I see. I'm not as active here, and don't know the specifics. To be fair, the animal has been in the news and named since October 2021, but we didn't have an article until now (probably because, well, Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS). It's now at 467 words, only a little short, so I still stand by my vote. --LordPeterII (talk) 18:27, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support on present quality. BD2412 T 17:53, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose The problem is that it's not really a biography, is it? It's a news story about a walrus. Whilst it probably passes GNG, given the very low bar there (although, frankly, WP:NOTNEWS), it should really be "2022 Norwegian walrus incident" or something like that. Let's face it, if it had been an important story, the article would have existed before (checks notes) six hours ago. Black Kite (talk) 17:59, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Black Kite: As you can read in my reply above, I've very slyly turned the "not news" argument against you ;) Although I get what you mean: It's not the usual nomination, and I can understand why you'd vote oppose. I see it differently (we currently only have two named wild walruses, this one and Wally), but yeah I trust consensus will determine what's best. --LordPeterII (talk) 18:39, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment: At least on the technical side, we are now at 526 words. --LordPeterII (talk) 20:19, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
... due to recent expansion, we are now at 662 words. And to those skeptical in regards to article creation, there really are several sources dating to 2021, we just did not have an article up until now. Which totally makes sense if you think about it, it only became WP:NOTNEWS due to the continued press coverage months later. --LordPeterII (talk) 21:42, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support "Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post". Andrew🐉(talk) 20:46, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Keep in mind that there was no WP article until today about the walrus, thus the above issues related to length and notability are 100% fair game to consider. Most of that has been resolved since but we still will raise questions of notability of an article created on the same day as the death if it is short and/or lacking sourcing. Masem (t) 22:51, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    That's what WP:AFD is for. If you or anyone else doubts the notability, that's how to go about asserting the concern. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:52, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    If we tagged it for AFD that would 1) be pointy (given that there were editors sayign they were working on expanding it) and 2) disqualify the article for ITN posting while the AFD tag sat there. The reason to make sure that there's enough content for a freshly created article that is then put to be on RD is to make sure that it meets our quality expectations (500 words min, using reasonable sourcing) If for some reason that a new article couldn't get to those levels, then yes, an AFD would be required. It's just the claim "oh, there's a standalone, we must post" is not how we operate, we're still evaluating the quality of the standalone for posting. That's not an automatic blind thing that Andrew is suggesting. --Masem (t) 22:59, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I am fully aware of all this. Yet an article with sufficient coverage existed, sufficient notability was asserted, no-one had AFD'ed it. So that's just time to move on. By the time Andrew made his vote, all the boxes were checked. There was literally nothing else to be concerned about. Feels like there's some wonkery afoot here, "a freshly created article" caveat. Nein danke. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 23:05, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support article is reasonable enough, covers the death of a notable animal, nothing much more to debate here unless someone wants to take the article to WP:AFD of course, otherwise, hurry up and post. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:46, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 22:28, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Vinayak Mete[edit]

Article: Vinayak Mete (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article needs more information to be added as well as citations for some of the information it currently contains. Hopefully this nomination leads to the fixing of these issues. EditMaker Me (talk) 12:38, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Oppose barely more than a stub. Both sections are entirely unsourced. Polyamorph (talk) 13:55, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • A Recent Death nomination with zero footnotes in the Death section?Some REFs are in place now. --PFHLai (talk) 16:17, 14 August 2022 (UTC) Please expand this stub and add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 14:29, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ongoing: 2022 European heat waves[edit]

Article: 2022 European heat waves (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1][2][3][4]
Credits:

Nominator's comments: This is an important current topic linked to the 2022 Oder environmental disaster, 2022 European drought, Climate change in Europe and 2022 European and Mediterranean wildfires and includes the 2022 United Kingdom heat waveMunci (talk) 10:36, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support: The heatwave is ongoing and has caused droughts, huge wildfires and environmental damage. greyzxq talk 11:13, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose: Many sections of the article haven't been updated for weeks. Miggie H (talk) 11:33, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – It would take a herculean effort to cobble together a good article about the high levels of heat this summer around the world.
    Sca (talk) 12:44, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
PS: ID sources per usual format, please. – Sca (talk)
This is my first time suggesting something for ITN so I am not sure what you mean. I did try and follow the instructions. Munci (talk) 17:27, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
See other nom's re sources. -- Sca (talk) 22:42, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose There are multiple heat waves besides the ones in Europe happening in the world. Does not make sense to isolate one at this time. --Masem (t) 13:31, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support The drought should also be mentioned. It's the worst drought in about 500 years. It's now rivaling the 1540 European drought "Everything began in northern Italy, with a winter that felt like a July. Not a single drop fell from October 1539 to early April 1540. Then the drought advanced north."[5] July brought such an "ember-like heat that churches made prayers while the Rhine, Elbe and Seine could be crossed on a dry foot. Where there was still water, the warm broth acquired a green colour," dead fish floated belly-up." Count Iblis (talk) 13:53, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    That’s how they usually float. – Sca (talk) 14:40, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem. Climate change is a reality that affects the entire planet and wanting to focus only on one region is reckless. The European summer (especially in the Mediterranean) is like this: record heat waves, droughts and forest fires. Nothing new under the sun. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:38, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support It is a quite major collection of events, impacting quite a lot of Europe, and as per Count Iblis, it is the biggest drought in almost 500 years. GamerOfStrategy (talk) 17:38, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Driving force behind a significant amount of notable news items. The Kip (talk) 19:11, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Ongoing is for ongoing events. This article is a collection of events, most finished, several not begun. Even if we did treat list articles as event articles, for whatever reason, it seems Eurocentric to single out the European branch of 2022 heat waves till December 31. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:32, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • On closer examination, this article also sucks. Of the five "August heat wave" sections, only Ireland's mentions a heatwave (maxed at 31, only water-related deaths, but still). The others are single high temperatures or slightly broader predictions. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:00, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Firstly, I do not see an issue with simply putting up specific notable heat waves for nomination. I think just having had one rise to the level of individual nomination is not enough to consider this for ongoing - if a second posted heat wave occurs, the perhaps we should consider this for ongoing. Beyond that, the organization of the article is poor. The article stratifies by country, but even under each country specific waves are not specified, and it is not specified in many cases the wave in question associated with the statements provided in the article. Just seems like a lot of information thrown together randomly - information that may be useful, but not as much so without context. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:24, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Rakesh Jhunjhunwala[edit]

Article: Rakesh Jhunjhunwala (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDTV, BBC, CNN
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian business executive. Article requires some work before it can be ready for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 04:19, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support: Very very prominent figure in Indian stock market and Economy. Supporting inclusion in the RD. --Titodutta (talk) 04:25, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support High profile billionaire, possibly already generated lots of publicity after his company Akasa Air commenced operations a few days ago. NytharT.C 06:39, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Maintenance tag will have to be dealt with first. Schwede66 15:52, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing removal: 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
Nominator's comments: There hasn't anything major happening for months since this was first posted in February. Unless something major happens, it should be removed. Interstellarity (talk) 00:09, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose The invasion is over and I haven't heard about it yet? _-_Alsor (talk) 00:48, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose Just because nothing of note has occured recently doesn't mean it's over. Russia's still there. MyriadSims (talk) 01:08, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose As above XxLuckyCxX (talk) 02:50, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Strong Oppose The invasion is still happening. It is still in the news. FAdesdae378 (talk · contribs) 03:36, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose absolutely still happening --Masem (t) 03:43, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose as long as Russian invasion forces are still in Ukraine this remains ongoing. Polyamorph (talk) 03:48, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per everyone else. The invasion is still very much a major thing in the news. Kurtis (talk) 03:59, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Russian troops are still in Ukraine and sizable parts of the country are occupied. Are you serious? The Kip (talk) 04:00, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

August 13[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Sports

  • Romanian swimmer David Popovici breaks the 13-year old world record for the 100m freestyle with a time of 46.86. (SwimSwam)

RD: Maung Paw Tun[edit]

Article: Maung Paw Tun (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Voice of Myanmar, Global News Light of Myanmar
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Htanaungg (talk) 08:40, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • This stubby wikibio currently has only 265 words of prose. Anything more to write about this person? --PFHLai (talk) 11:22, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @PFHLai: I have a bit expanded; it's now 328 words. Thank you. Htanaungg (talk) 03:27, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – RS coverage? – Sca (talk) 12:50, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support recipient of the National Lifetime Award for Literary Achievement is notable and highly respected writer in Myanmar. Taung Tan (talk) 04:02, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 12[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections


(Posted) RD: Anshu Jain[edit]

Article: Anshu Jain (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Money Control (India)
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Banker / Business executive. I will work on the article shortly. RIP. Did not require any major edits. Good to go in current state imo. RIP. Ktin (talk) 13:19, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Oder environmental disaster[edit]

Article: 2022 Oder environmental disaster (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​A mass die-off of fish, beavers and other wildlife occurs in the Oder river in Poland, likely due to mercury poisoning, causing a health and environmental crisis in large parts of the country. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​A mass die-off of wildlife in the Oder river causes a health and environmental crisis in large parts of Poland.
News source(s): Sky News, Reuters, ABC, Yahoo!, Planeta, Onet, TVN24, DW (English)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: A whole ecosystem has been wiped out along half the country and likely affect Germany too. They found several tons of dead wildlife in the river which stretches 840km. Protests among the local population already. Needs article. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:23, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Comment Do you have a main article for this event? I don't think we can post it if there isn't a base article for it & I don't think the section in the Oder article is long enough to warrant a post XxLuckyCxX (talk) 21:41, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@XxLuckyCxX: I couldn't find one, was hoping this nomination would help. If there isn't one then I can create 2022 Oder environmental disaster. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:44, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see some updating at Oder#Contamination_in_2022. Let's call this article the nominated article for now. --PFHLai (talk) 22:14, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Update Created separate article, as the section was only 2 sentences long, and this could easily be a standalone article. Nowhere near perfect or even ready to post, but it's a start; any help very welcome! Abcmaxx (talk) 22:42, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support in principle Article def. needs work like OP stated but looks fine currently XxLuckyCxX (talk) 23:06, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support in principle - This is a developing story, with contradictory information from different sides of the border, but it looks pretty significant. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:09, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support in principle - Some sources are suggesting this may be the permanent destruction of the river's ecosystem, which would make this event notable. With improvements to the article, especially regarding sources, I support the addition of this item to the current events section, in principle. StrongPencil (talk) 01:17, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support in principle - As this is causing a major environmental and health disaster in Poland, and seems to be triggering a major political crisis, this is more than significant enough to be posted. However, the article needs some more cleanupno pun intended before it can be posted. Mount Patagonia (talk) 03:13, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment. If we go ahead with this posting, I would recommend going with ALTBLURB (ALT1) instead of the original blurb. Do not want to posit a "likely" cause unless it is definitively stated. Ktin (talk) 03:47, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support per above, and agree with Kitin that ALTBLURB is preferrable. EditMaker Me (talk) 05:11, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support for reasons already pointed out. Ayyydoc (talk) 05:31, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Update Length now should be much better, lots of sources. Apologies for the bare references, I tried to add a lot of information in a very short space of time. Concur that the cause is unknown still it seems, at the time of nomination I thought mercury poisoning was pretty much the consensus at the time. Abcmaxx (talk) 05:54, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support in principle. This is an excellent story of high encyclopedic value.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:06, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support I think the article looks good and will be expanded over time. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:29, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support,This is a major disaster which will effect people's life. Alex-h (talk) 12:02, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Germany is also affected by the disaster (should be mentioned in blurb). Grimes2 (talk) 12:18, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support ... in principle, pending article development. Widely covered for several weeks in Germany, which shares the Oder (called Odra in Polish) with Poland. – Sca (talk) 12:21, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support and more: this is just one part of the current ecolgoical crises, including heatwaves in Europe for example, which should have a major place along with the invasion of the Ukraine by Putin and Covid-19. Munci (talk) 18:05, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment This article really isn’t ready for the front page yet. Far too slim and vague. Thriley (talk) 19:11, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted The article is short, but I think it's just long enough and detailed enough to post. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:48, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Consensus seems clear that the article was not ready for posting. I see two editors that are okay with the article and at least seven that aren't. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:50, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose little more than a stub Polyamorph (talk) 13:27, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Pretty thin all right – about 460 words of text, some of which is reax. -- Sca (talk) 22:44, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Cetinje shooting[edit]

Article: 2022 Cetinje shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: A mass shooting after a family conflict in Cetinje, Montenegro, leaves 11 people dead and 6 others injured. (Post)
News source(s): WP, NDTV, The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Very rare mass shooting in a small European country; reported worldwide. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:12, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Weak oppose Yes, few mass shootings happen there, but this is a result of a domestic dispute and not a terrorism or similar operation. --Masem (t) 21:37, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I may be wrong, but I think this may be the country's worst shooting ever (granted independent not that long, and small population, but still) Abcmaxx (talk) 21:42, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also its not the motive that's the notable part, it is the rarity, location and scale of the tragedy surely. I am unconvinced this would be more notable if 11 people died because the perpetrator was a terrorist.Abcmaxx (talk) 22:01, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support this is possibly the worst mass shooting in Montenegro ever, and given we routinely post mass shootings from other parts of the world where they are a daily occurrence, it seems relevant to give this as some kind of global context. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:16, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's routine when the death toll reaches a certain threshold relative to other mass shootings in the same country, or in cases where there is something particularly noteworthy about the details surrounding what happened (e.g. elementary school children were the victims). We don't post every single mass shooting in the US, even ones with a moderately high death toll, because of how common they are—but we do still post many of them. Same goes for Iraq back when it was being suicide-bombed on the regular. Kurtis (talk) 04:30, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I dont think thats true, and I think the yawning fellow up above must actually be asleep to have blacked out his constant repetitive opposes to any mass shooting in the United States, opposes that have largely carried the day. We rarely post mass shootings in the US, and the claim that we do routinely is bs. nableezy - 20:42, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support The worst mass shooting in the area ever (not only in country’s history) is something that merits inclusion. I really don’t understand the hangers-on to the notion that domestic incidents are inferior to terrorist attacks. We should be more pragmatic and look at the consequences in first place.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:37, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - widely covered in major sources around the world, seems like an obvious reason to support. nableezy - 22:48, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Mass shootings in Montenegro are not usual. Being the worst ever in this country/area makes it ITNR-worthy without any doubt. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:50, 12 August 2022 (UTC)pReply[reply]
  • Support and endorse Kiril Simeonovski's criticism of the apparent hierarchy being applied by other users. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:10, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Well, we generally post mass shootings which have left 11 people dead in the US. Seems reasonable to post this one. Although oddly, it's not showing up on the BBC's front page, or Reuters. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 00:40, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted. My first time doing an ITN update; please let me know if I've done anything wrong. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 08:41, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • post-posting comment: i am not sure if "after a family conflict" is an appropriate description for the shooting. earlier reports, including the one from the guardian referenced in the nomination, mention a "family dispute", but later reports, such as this reuters source, appear to have been avoiding that description. the reuters source reports that a police director stated that the family killed was "staying at the house of the shooter as tenants", and the description of the victims in the bolded article in the blurb seems to confirm this. dying (talk) 10:09, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    DW,quoting Montenegrin public broadcaster RTCG, also refers to a family dispute. -- Sca (talk) 12:27, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    i agree that previous reports mentioned a "family dispute", as i stated above. however, my point is that the story appears to have changed.
    • compare this earlier rtcg report ("Saznajemo da je tragediji prethodio porodični sukob") with this more recent one ("Policija nema saznanja, niti je prijavljivano, da su postojali raniji konflkti [sic], niti napad u posljednjem periodu Borilovića na porodicu podstanara").
    • alternatively, compare this version of a report from the new york times ("the attack ... came after a family dispute") with an updated version of the same article ("The gunman first targeted the mother and her two children, who were tenants staying on his property").
    • the english dw article you linked has clearly not been updated ("the violence started while the attacker was arguing with his family members"), while the german dw article casts doubt on the earlier description of the dispute ("Warum er sie erschossen hat, ist bislang völlig unklar. Medien berichteten von einem 'Familienstreit'.").
    as the article has been updated, the itn blurb appears to no longer be supported by the article. stating that a dispute is a "family dispute" suggests that the dispute is within one family (as otherwise, perhaps all disputes are family disputes), and the updated article makes it clear that the shooter borilović was not a member of the family martinović. dying (talk) 20:34, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Post-posting support The article remains up to date. --Vacant0 (talk) 13:55, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

According to above comments, it seems that "family dispute" may be misleading. That should be removed from the blurb. Remember BLP. In general blurbs often are lengthier than they need to be. Omit needless words. --47.147.118.55 (talk) 04:12, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) Salman Rushdie stabbing[edit]

Article: Stabbing of Salman Rushdie (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Booker Prize-winning author Sir Salman Rushdie, sentenced to death for blasphemy by an Iranian fatwa in 1989, is stabbed in the neck in Chautauqua, New York. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Salman Rushdie, author of the 1988 imaginary tale The Satanic Verses, widely decried by Islamicists, is stabbed in the neck in Chautauqua, N.Y. (U.S.A.)
News source(s): New York Times (paywalled), AP, BBC, Reuters, AlJazeera
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: To me this is one of the most important news items of the decade,comparable to the 1989 Iranian fatwa sentencing him to death for blasphemy. (Redacted) Tlhslobus (talk) 20:07, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support as nom.Tlhslobus (talk) 20:07, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That isn't necessary; your support is already assumed. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:20, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, though in my case it shouldn't be assumed, if only because I once nominated an item without being sure whether I was in favour of posting, as distinct from being in favour of having a discussion on whether it should be posted (which logically is all that a nomination really implies). Tlhslobus (talk) 20:33, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment There is a stub article, Stabbing of Salman Rushdie, but that currently gives less information than Salman_Rushdie#Chautauqua_attack_(2022). -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:20, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose assuming he survives the operations post-attack (which it sounds like he will). If he dies from it, a blurb may be appropriate as that's 100% an unusual death, but as an attack that he survives, it's a minor footnote. --Masem (t) 20:24, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose It's not even one of the most important stories of the week, let alone the decade (unless he dies, of course). Oh, and your nom statement is offensive to Muslims, even if the "woke" part of it makes it laughable. Black Kite (talk) 20:33, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    A prize-winning novelist who has had a foreign government calling for his death for years, is stabbed repeatedly and is now on a ventilator, has a damaged liver and may lose an eye. Not all those details were known when you wrote the above but still, "not even one of the important stories of the week" seems way off to me. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:55, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose (unless of course the poor fellow dies). While it's certainly dramatic, this isn't going to be more than a brief footnote even in his own biography. And yes, the nomination is ludicrously partisan and filled with religious animus. We can and should do better, whatever our feelings on the subjects of our nominations and !votes. ETA: It seems his injuries are much more serious than I had thought. Still opposing posting it if he survives, but my thoughts are with him and his family. Tlhslobus, please consider retracting your needlessly inflammatory postscript to your nomination. GenevieveDEon (talk) 20:39, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Tentative Support - depending on how serious the wounding is; but after several hours of surgery, it looks bad. Not sure the logic that this assassination attempt would be a footnote, for a such a traumatic attack on a very prominent author; this goes well beyond book-burnings. Nfitz (talk) 21:19, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The injuries are indeed very serious, and life altering - no longer tentative. Nfitz (talk) 03:57, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Amended slightly given there is an article on this specific event Abcmaxx (talk) 21:39, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support per Nfitz XxLuckyCxX (talk) 21:42, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak support: would we post (hypothetically) an assassination attempt of Trump, Bin Laden (yes I know he is deceased), Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Cristiano Ronaldo, a current head of state, the current Pope, the previous Pope? I think we might do (God forbid) in all those cases. Rushdie is a worldwide figure and had a sizable part of the global population trying to kill him for a long time, that in itself is unprecedented. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:56, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Every single person you noted is more significant. GreatCaesarsGhost 22:34, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • This isnt even the most important story in NY today (like not a single NY paper/TV station outside of upstate NY itself is leading with this afaict). But Im a woke moslem (who somehow doesnt think Salman Rushdie should die so I guess Im pretty terrible at being both) so discount this plz. If he dies definitely merits a blurb even if he died naturally in his sleep, which one hopes he will do many many years from now. nableezy - 22:01, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It definitely is in the UK though, throughout all the media.Abcmaxx (talk) 22:03, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Id forgotten we were on Her Majesty's sovereign property at ITN, silly me. nableezy - 22:45, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb if Rushdie dies. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:17, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait – Widely covered; developing. – Sca (talk) 22:25, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Agree this meets significance for a blurb if he dies. GreatCaesarsGhost 22:34, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose for now per GCG and above. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:46, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Are people really not going to comment on the needlessly inflammatory rhetoric the nominator used? If someone submitted a nomination with most of their submission comment focusing on the strawmen of supposedly "many" Jewish, black, or even atheistic users opposing or supporting one action and how it's emblematic of everything wrong with society, people would rightfully condemn it as biased or WP:SOAP. But for some reason, most people are just shrugging their shoulders here and ignoring this. This should be considered unacceptable discourse, even if the nomination itself is sound. 2600:8802:2718:6700:F556:1D60:9C0C:DAFF (talk) 00:30, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • An Islamicist is a scholar of Islam. See Islamicist. You mean Islamists, though even that I dont think is accurate for widely decried. Maybe Islamic fundamentalists? nableezy - 01:57, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose If he dies (G** forbid) I would switch to a support. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:19, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support I don't see what the issue here is with posting this. The event is clearly in mainstream news and significant in that a controversy running for well over thirty-years now has come to a head with extremists actually succeeding in finally attacking the author. Either the author's or the controversy's article can be linked, both of which appear to be fleshed out (unless the stub improves). Gotitbro (talk) 03:10, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. A perfectly healthy man just walked onto a stage and is now on a ventilator and unable to speak. His liver is damaged and he is set to lose at least one eye. That perfectly healthy man also happens to be a public figure with sustained international recognition/notoriety/controversy/whatever you want to call it, spanning, at this stage, many decades. Now, according to the above, it depends on "if he dies"? Where are the criteria that state a person has to be killed? Would the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II be passed over if it happened today because he survived? (Probably not, because it's the Pope.) But why death? Talk:2011 Tucson shooting shows that the attempted assassination of a representative of Arizona's 8th congressional district was posted...
It's an unprecedented attack, on a scale usually reserved for politicians. It's not as if someone just walked up and kicked him... Three continents (and three countries with significant populations, where the English language is widely spoken) are linked to the individual concerned: India (population 1,407,563,842), U.S. (population 331,893,745) and UK (population 67,326,569). Even his knighthood has its own article. It wouldn't/couldn't set any precedent to post the average "local diarist/national bestseller has argument/gets beaten up" story. This is not the sort of event that happens every day. To get away from the US v UK dispute, it's headline news in Australia, Ireland, Saudi Arabia, France... and Iran, naturally.
To conclude, this tweet by Kylie Moore-Gilbert that I noticed on the website of a newspaper sums up the scale of the event: "More than 30 years and a $3million bounty later, Khomeini's poisonous fatwa has finally caught up with Salman Rushdie." (I am not familiar with her but I found it hard to disagree with that line). --Gaois (talk) 04:48, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Suggesting a more neutral wording that links to the history (if the attack article is not expanded). He didn't lose an eye or sustain damage to his liver from being "stabbed in the neck" as is stated above: "stabbed multiple times" is the current phrasing from the opening sentence of the attack article. --Gaois (talk) 05:15, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Friendly reminder Don't forget that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a news portal. So something that has significant international journalistic coverage doesn’t mean that it’s directly ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 05:38, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The novel obviously is of considerable scholarly interest (elevating a little known apocryphal event) to the mainstream, the controversy around it further generated significant debate on cultural issues and art in both the Muslim and Western worlds which has ultimately manifested in violence on the author. This is a clear case of an encyclopedic event. Gotitbro (talk) 15:33, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support, reasoning and wording per Gaois - the location is less important than the reason behind it. I have no words for the distinction "If he dies ...". I put his name on my talk, quoting a DYK from April 2020, "about free imagination in battle with thought control" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:24, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support highly notable. An attempted assassination of a public figure who was the subject of the biggest literary controversy in the last 50 years, and front-page news around the world. AryKun (talk) 07:37, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. This isn't a simple attack, given his history and the general threat to his life. His agent says he will lose an eye and the nerves in his arm were severed. [1] 331dot (talk) 07:40, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. It’s a relevant event. He’s a worldwide known figure. RodRabelo7 (talk) 08:28, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. The latest chapter in a decadeslong saga of great relevance to the arts, a topic area ITN often neglects. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 08:33, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Relevant event getting worldwide coverage and it is definitely a rare event. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:30, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support This event has a political dimension, because of the Fatwa. Grimes2 (talk) 10:48, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Strong support Notable political/culture wars event Bumbubookworm (talk) 10:53, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted - Used a more compact blurb as both of the ones here have issues in terms of accuracy and wording. Edits/suggestions to WP:ERRORS. - Fuzheado | Talk 11:18, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (ec) Support Serious attack getting widespread coverage. I don't see why an assassination attempt has to be successful to be posted. Pawnkingthree (talk) 11:20, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support widely covered event with long term significance.Polyamorph (talk) 11:39, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Post-posting comment from a former opposer - Good call. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:17, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Post-posting commentArticle (460 words) seems rather thin. 'Reactions' section fails to include reactions in Iran, where the fatwa originated, and where praise for the attack was expressed. [2] [3] [4]Sca (talk) 12:44, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Good job it's not the bolded article then :) Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:07, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    But it's the most relevant article about the attack. -- Sca (talk) 13:24, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    And the bolded article barely mentions it. Because of the sudden change in the tides on this nom, there was barely any discussion of quality. This was a failure of our process. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:11, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment It seems mildly awkward to add "in the United States". I'd suggest removing that, our readers are certain to know what country New York is in. --RockstoneSend me a message! 14:10, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • I've removed the location from the blurb, as it is not really relevant to the importance of the event, and the blurb is quite long. Sandstein 15:03, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      WHAT??? The location may not be relevant to Mr. Rushdie's long standoff with the Iranian Islamic fundamentalists, but it certainly is relevant to this news event. Remember the five Ws? And let me remind you that this main page fixture is called In the News (aka In den Nachrichten).
      -- Sca (talk) 18:24, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • Yeah, @Sandstein:, I agree with Sca here... I don't think removing the location the stabbing happened is a good solution. It is relevant. Especially since stabbings in the US are uncommon. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 20:41, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • We Want Where! InedibleHulk (talk) 20:48, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – The current blurb's ending "in the United States" seems OK. We don't really need "in Chautauqua, N.Y., U.S.A." – such clunky specificity isn't really relevant. As long as we give some indication of WHERE, das genügt. Und schönen Tag Abend noch.Sca (talk) 23:07, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Change bolding to Stabbing of Salman Rushdie. Article is now more developed, and reflects the main reason for the blurb.—Bagumba (talk) 01:22, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Changed by Schwede66Bagumba (talk) 09:42, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I think the appositive "author of The Satanic Verses" in this blurb is inappropriate. If it is intended to identify Rushdie's literary career, it makes it sound as if TSV is his primary literary contribution, which is not true; he has written many novels and it minimizes his career to reduce him to a book he wrote over 30 years ago and does not even consider his most significant work. If it is intended to identify the cause of the attack, this too is inappropriate as we don't have any definitive information about the motive yet. Moreover there is sinister subtext that his writing the book somehow caused the attack, which is the apogee of victim-blaming--the responsibility for perpetrating such acts of senseless violence begins entirely with the extremists and their ideology, an author cannot predict or be held responsible if some people decide to use violence just because they don't like a work of fiction. 156.111.111.70 (talk) 18:16, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Yeah I agree. Many ITN blurbs are overly wordy, as it is. Omit needless words. --47.147.118.55 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:50, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment His honorific 'Sir' title is missing from the blurb. ♦ jaguar 20:19, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    WP:ERRORS is the place for this kind of issue, but I don't think WP:HONORIFICS backs you up. You decide. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:22, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Anne Heche[edit]

Article: Anne Heche (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Rolling Stone
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Just confirmed --Vacant0 (talk) 17:53, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Compulsory article needs updating and minor clean-up comment, but it has had some work over the last week so shouldn't take long. Kingsif (talk) 18:03, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    We're still adding sources. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:10, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support: Article looks good and more work is being done to it. Very sad news. Very talented actress. Rest in peace. --SitcomyFan (talk) 18:34, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • It appears that this nomination is premature. UK sources reported her death because there, brain death = legal death. But that's not the case in the US. It seems that she's still being kept alive for organ donation. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:54, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Reports are saying brain death = death in California so she meets the medicolegal definition of dead. That said, I say we wait until either a death certificate is produced, a medical examiner/coroner reports her death, or she's taken off "life support". EvergreenFir (talk) 18:59, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Muboshgu: Am I reading the reports wrong? Her friends and family have confirmed death, the Guardian (very careful with their sources as a newspaper) followed up with California law (not British), and said life support was removed. Is it perhaps people who have done their own OR at the talk page and are asserting that they don't think brain death should be considered dead who have made you reconsider this? Kingsif (talk) 19:02, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Honestly, I'm confused. The Guardian says On Friday afternoon TMZ had reported Heche was “brain dead”, which under California law is the definition of death. It was announced earlier in the day Heche would be taken off of life support. I see no indication that she has been taken off of life support. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:14, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Yes, so, brain dead, body alive. Does that meet ITN RD requirements or do we wait for her to be taken off of life support? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ – Muboshgu (talk) 19:18, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I mean, the family seem to be saying dead, California would agree, but it can't hurt to wait. I'd contribute at the talk page if it wasn't ridiculous at this point, kudos to EvergreenFir for trying to control all those, er, discussions. FWIW, I also imagine the time difference may be confusing the Guardian writer based on that "earlier in the day" part. Guess you have time to source her awards anyway. Kingsif (talk) 19:24, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Edit - think I found one though I'm outside US so can only access the cached version. Perhaps you can check it? It seems her name is listed as a nominee.
Direct link - http:tcm.com/tcmdb/title/458705/the-5th-annual-blockbuster-entertainment-awards/
Cached link - http:webcache.usercontent.com/search?q=cache:6GGDrlNi8tsJ:tcm.com/tcmdb/title/458705/the-5th-annual-blockbuster-entertainment-awards/&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie SitcomyFan (talk) 19:13, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, that website can be seen at https:web.archive.org/web/20220126120234/http:tcm.com/tcmdb/title/458705/the-5th-annual-blockbuster-entertainment-awards/#credits . She appeared as a "performer", not nominee (credits section). I don't know if it is a valid source. Alexcalamaro (talk) 20:40, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think all the nominees are listed as performers. SitcomyFan (talk) 23:30, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Surprised it wasn't up there. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 22:48, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The article is good enough. There's a few awards that are uncited. I can't find sources for them. But, ITN postings don't have to be "perfect". This isn't a GA review. WP:ITN says in partArticles should be well referenced; one or two "citation needed" tags may not hold up an article, but any contentious statements must have a source, and having entire sections without any sources is unacceptable. I don't think anyone is going to say a "Blockbuster Award" is contentious. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:46, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted. BTW, I have removed two mentions of "posthumous release" from the Filmography tables, as the sources are dated before her death. Please restore that when newer RS is available. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 00:29, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 11[edit]

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RD: Jean-Jacques Sempé[edit]

Article: Jean-Jacques Sempé (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Perhaps the most prominent French drawing artist (Le Petit Nicolas, covers of The New Yorker), recognizable without seeing the signature. Article was decent, but surprisingly short for such a giant. The works are all in his French National Library entry, which could easily be added as a ref if needed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:39, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Comment Added source for nomination. I just did some editing on the page and it looks like just about everything except the bibliography section has a source.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 16:02, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    As just above: the bibliography is sourced to the French National Library, which is linked in authority control. Do we have to duplicate it, that was the question? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:49, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I added that ref now. Rubbing my eyes that a person with the highest interest figure two days ago isn't noticed here. I'm used to that for obscure actors and composers but he was so visible. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:01, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Long enough (almost 600 words of prose), with footnotes at expected spots, and formatting looking fine, and with no troubles found by Earwig, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 21:51, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Paul Green[edit]

Article: Paul Green (rugby league) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): france24 and many others
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Rugby League player and coach from Queensland, Australia. Died unexpectedly at the age of 49. HiLo48 (talk) 04:31, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Quite a few unsourced claims. Happy to support if these are fixed. Anarchyte (talk) 05:35, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Too many unsourced paragraphs. Please add more REFs! --PFHLai (talk) 03:53, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) Bill Russell's number retired[edit]

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Article: Bill Russell (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Bill Russell's number is retired across all of the teams of the NBA. (Post)
News source(s): https:espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34384678/bill-russell-no-6-retired-nba-following-legend-death-last-month
Credits:
Nominator's comments: This is the first time that happened in the NBA ever, and Bill Russell is a 11 time NBA champion. Sportsfangnome (talk) 05:39, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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August 10[edit]

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  • A house explodes in Evansville, Indiana, United States, killing at least three people, injuring one and damaging at least 39 nearby houses. (CNN)

Law and crime

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RD: Corky Palmer[edit]

Article: Corky Palmer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hattiesburg American; University of Southern Mississippi; WJTV
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 09:24, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lydia de Vega[edit]

Article: Lydia de Vega (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (Rappler)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: She was "considered Asia's fastest woman in the 1980s." I already missing citations in this article. KTerPalmers (talk) 04:41, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

James Marape elected Papuan PM[edit]

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Article: 2022 Papua New Guinean general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: James Marape (pictured) is reelected unopposed as Prime Minister by the parliament of Papua New Guinea after his party Pangu Pati won the general election that took place in July. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Government now formed and head of state (prime minister) chosen. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:44, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Oppose There's no change in top executive (head of government this time) and the general election part's gone stale. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:29, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The first point is correct (the resign/reelection distinction is immaterial). It's difficult to say what the date of the general election results is when those results roll in over time. Given the party in the plurality currently has just 31% of seats and 16% are outstanding, I would say we still don't have full results. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:11, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I'd figured the main results of an election are votes cast. But yeah, I suppose votes counted also naturally follow. I'll leave it to political scientists and students of democracy to figure whether the key moment in counting is the grand total or the point when a winner is safe to project. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:35, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Results have been clarified just now, i.e., not stale; the selection of PMs after elections is ITNR. Gotitbro (talk) 07:20, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Also, noting that re-elected is not correct for the blurb as Marape became the PM after the last one resigned. Besides that the article looks good to me. Gotitbro (talk) 07:24, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - article seems fine. As for "reelected," isn't the PM elected by the Papuan Parliament anyway? Sheila1988 (talk) 12:55, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment on quality There is a lack of prose in the preliminary results and the "Aftermath" section is too short. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:27, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    And in case James Marape is the/a target article here, its "Political career" section ends in 2019. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:54, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    True. Nor does it delve into his career as prime minister and as minister beyond the vote of confidence. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:16, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support once the article is properly updated. Changes of heads of government are ITN/R. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:43, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Technically, there was no change, so this must be understood as a result of July's general election (barring any unlikely consideration of this story as hot enough on its own inherent merits). InedibleHulk (talk) 21:00, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support once aftermath and campaign are updated, it has my full support, as it is ITN/R. echidnaLives (talk) 23:20, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support,Results are out and this is an ITN event. Alex-h (talk) 16:37, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Nominator comment I copied the blurb from the news portal, so if it's wrong or inaccurate I suggest the portal entry be amended too. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:04, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Raymond Briggs[edit]

Article: Raymond Briggs (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Not in bad condition, but there are a few unsupported statements in there that need citations. Although I'd love to see a blurb on him, I don't think he merits it, objectively speaking. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:11F2:723B:CAC4:ABD9 (talk) 08:24, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've been through adding refs this morning and I think it's OK (although another set of eyes doing a quick check to see I've not missed anything. I won't mark it as 'ready', but I think it probably is. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:11F2:723B:CAC4:ABD9 (talk) 09:12, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 9[edit]

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Science and technology

Sports


(Posted) RD: Miles Warren[edit]

Article: Miles Warren (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Te Kāhui Whaihanga New Zealand Institute of Architects
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article has a couple of sections that need references but I see that a fellow architect has already started updating the article so it shouldn't be too far off. Schwede66 03:45, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Article should be good to go now. Schwede66 05:09, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rudi Koertzen[edit]

Article: Rudi Koertzen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN Cricinfo
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Tragic news coming in from South Africa. Article requires some work on sourcing. I will get to it if no one gets to it before me. RIP. Ktin (talk) 20:56, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mario Fiorentini[edit]

Article: Mario Fiorentini (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The last and most decorated Italian resistance fighter in WWII. May need some cleanup. I translated the article from it.wiki. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:14, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@BeanieFan11: I've added some cn tags, I think it will be easy to fix them. Otherwise the article looks good. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:09, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Alsoriano97: I think I've addressed all of the cn tags. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:43, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
yes, you have. Thanks! _-_Alsor (talk) 16:46, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) 44th Chess Olympiad[edit]

Article: 44th Chess Olympiad (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​The 44th Chess Olympiad concludes with Uzbekistan winning the open event and Ukraine winning the women's event. (Post)
News source(s): ChessBase, Deutsche Welle
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: What a result! Davey2116 (talk) 14:44, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support. What a tournament indeed! That the teams were that close to each other is agonizing. Congrats to the winning teams. Nice work on the article. Ktin (talk) 15:12, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support I've completed the updates to all three articles. It should be good to go now.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:19, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – Hadn't yet reached mainstream RS media as of 16:30. – Sca (talk) 16:31, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support, This is an event that should come in ITN and the article is fine. Alex-h (talk) 16:55, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. ITNR event, results and prose summary are present in the article, which is suitably referenced. I'm working my way through it doing a thorough copyedit, but it's good enough to post now. Modest Genius talk 17:39, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support per above. --Vacant0 (talk) 18:48, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support good to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:52, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 00:57, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment It's obvious Wikipedia is posting a picture of a female player for SJW reasons. By any normal logic, it would make sense to post a player among the open winners (Uzbekistan), since that was the main tournament. 2001:569:57B2:4D00:4165:DC30:DD71:D119 (talk) 23:37, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    A pic of a player from Uzbekistan was up there for 23 hours already. --PFHLai (talk) 00:52, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Can you offer suggestions on how to rotate the pictures, when we have a picture of only one of the men and all five of the women?—Bagumba (talk) 05:26, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It's fine to use all the images we have available, and refreshing to see a rotation. If there's a need to mix up the gender balance, we also have File:David Howell 2013.jpg, who won the top player award. Modest Genius talk 11:54, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Um, David Howell won the gold medal for board 3. The 'top player' is generally considered to be the person who wins the gold medal on board 1. That was Gukesh D, the board 1 for the India 2 team that came third (getting the team bronze medals). Carcharoth (talk) 15:56, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    David Howell has been up for awhile now. If we are going to feature the top individual player in the open section, can we also feature the top individual player in the women's section? That is either Oliwia Kiołbasa (File:2021-Oliwia-Kiolbasa.JPG), who was the top player among everyone, or Pia Cramling (File:Pia-Cramling.jpg), who was the top player on Board 1 as Carcharoth suggested. I suggest the wording "individual gold medallist" (which would apply in either case) instead of "best individual open player" to avoid the ambiguity that Carcharoth raised. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 22:32, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Not sure which one is correct, but the infobox lists the "best player" as Howell (men) and Kiołbasa (women). Any blurb should be consistent with the infobox and prose. —Bagumba (talk) 01:26, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    That's why I suggested calling it "individual gold medallist" instead of "best player", which can be ambiguous without context. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:59, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    echoing Modest Genius's comment, i wanted to thank Stephen for rotating the pictures featured. i also wanted to point out that Yoshlar ishlari agentligi appears to have uploaded pictures of the uzbekistani team taken during the tournament that are currently featured on uz wikipedia. in addition, there appear to be photos for ukrainian team members nataliya buksa and iulija osmak, but their articles have yet to be appropriately updated and i do not know if that is a requirement for their photos being featured on the main page. (wp:itnpict does not appear to consider it a requirement.) dying (talk) 01:54, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
At least one of those photos by Yoshlar is a clear copyright violation of someone else's photo. It wouldn't surprise me if they all were. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 04:06, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
which one is a clear copyright violation? i believe the account is run by someone representing the uzbekistani youth affairs agency, and they are uploading their own pictures for use by wikipedia under a compatible creative commons license. the account's first upload is of a pdf which appears to address this. the agency's site also features some of the pictures uploaded. dying (talk) 05:04, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah, I thought this one was taken from here, but it is actually a little different. So maybe not. The others labelled with the agency name I don't recognize from anywhere else, those seem safer to use. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 05:22, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
actually, i tried digging a little deeper after you had raised the issue, and i think you're right about that picture. the uploaded one looks like a rotated version of the one credited to stev bonhage. i'm pretty sure the ones taken with the canon eos 5d mark iv are the agency's own, though i am admittedly not sure about the one taken with the iphone 12 pro max. dying (talk) 05:39, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Lamont Dozier[edit]

Article: Lamont Dozier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The usual discography citation issues need to be fixed; no other issues I can see within the article's body. rawmustard (talk) 12:38, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Comment There are also a few uncited sentences. I'll change my vote to support once this gets fixed. --Vacant0 (talk) 13:19, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • There are currently 7 {cn} tags in the prose. The Discography section can use more sources, too. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 21:53, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Issey Miyake[edit]

Article: Issey Miyake (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died on 5 August but only announced today.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:47, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Comment article needs some work. I've added some cn tags, many of the sources are archived (which doesn't mean that the article is not of quality per se, but perhaps more current web pages can be found and used) and the "Issey Miyake lines and brands" section needs sources. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:57, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) Raid of Mar-a-Lago[edit]

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Article: Raid of Mar-a-Lago (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In the United States, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) raids Mar-a-Lago, one of the homes of former President Donald Trump (Post)
News source(s): https:nytimes.com/2022/08/08/us/politics/trump-fbi-mar-a-lago.html
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Unheard of in the United States. Therapyisgood (talk) 02:09, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait -- it is indeed unheard of, and I for one am celebrating. However, I believe that we should wait for an actual indictment. It probably won't be very long now. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 03:07, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak oppose — It's not a huge story, and certainly a U.S. focused one, but it could lead to something bigger. [email protected] (he/him) 03:32, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • It's definitely a huge story here in the US, since this has never happened before. But agree, this isn't the thing to post ITN. --RockstoneSend me a message! 03:44, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I'm aware of how large of a story it is in the U.S.—I live here—but ITN is a global thing. Certain things from the U.S. do transcend ITN's usual disdain for U.S. centric news, such as the most recent blurb in ITN right now and the Uvalde shooting from months ago, but this is not one of them. It's part of a larger story for sure, but globally this has no impact on even someone from Canada. [email protected] (he/him) 04:10, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Perhaps surprisingly, this is the Number 2 story on Australia's national broadcaster right now, behind unsurprising, saturation coverage of Olivia Newton-John's life and death. See here. And we see very little about Trump in the news these days. HiLo48 (talk) 05:52, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Interesting thought experiment -- if a former Canadian Prime Minister were having his house raided, would we blurb it? I'm assuming not. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 06:41, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We have no requirements for "global impact" at WP:ITN and a specific note above about opposing because a story only relates to a single country. How is it these arguments are able to persist? --LaserLegs (talk) 09:26, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose This is part of a possible larger story related to Trump, but this one event is not the type of news to feature on the front page. --Masem (t) 03:39, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait a few days until we know if there’s an imminent indictment or not. If there’s not, I’ll support as a raid on a former president’s residence is completely unprecedented in US politics, and certainly notable enough to overcome “America-centrism.” The Kip (talk) 04:20, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I don't think we're going to post anything short of an indictment of Trump. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:43, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose A very unusual event, but currently no evidence it will lead to anything more significant. If it does lead to anything, that event can instead be nominated for ITN. Lewis Hulbert (talk) 05:04, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Lewis Hulbert Just noting that this sort of thing is not done even with non-politicians unless the FBI/Department of Justice already has substantial evidence of a crime and knows what they will find when the warrant is executed. Twitter is full of lawyers saying they would advise clients who this happens to that charges are likely coming. 331dot (talk) 09:30, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose largely under the principle expressed by Muboshgu. This is part of a larger story. ITN consideration for any piece of this puzzle starts once this case is in court. This raid is just a highly-publicised fact-gathering mission. Not even sure there should be a published article on the raid yet - it's very possible nothing comes of it, and it would be more appropriate to publish such an article after more is known about said raid. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:51, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose until he is arrested/charged with a crime. This may be likely, but it must happen first. 331dot (talk) 09:28, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose article is at AfD and not overly notable.  Nixinova T  C   09:32, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It's going to easily survive AFD --LaserLegs (talk) 09:35, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Maybe if Trump is charged with something. Steelkamp (talk) 09:34, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak Support the use of federal troops to attack a former leader is unheard of in Western democracies but perhaps unsurprising given that the Mueller Investigation was a years long multi-million dollar attack on Donald Trump that ultimately came up empty handed. --LaserLegs (talk) 09:35, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per Steelkamp. Hype is nothing without substance. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:36, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. What is going on here with Trump is far more significant than Watergate. Indictment of Trump is not all that relevant. Qite a few former presidents/prime ministers have been prosecuted and jailed, that can happen for relatively minor legal issues. But Trump has been allowed by the GOP to be a Nixon on steroids and we're only now finding out many of the details of Trump's presidency. Count Iblis (talk) 10:32, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
WP:BLP applies, even to Trump. 331dot (talk) 10:55, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • This is a huge story, but it does not make for encyclopedic content. The facts currently known are too minimal. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:14, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose a mere investigation. If Trump is arrested, charged or convicted of a crime, then we can reconsider. Police gathering evidence is not sufficient IMO. Compare to the recent Partygate investigation, which was nominated multiple times but never posted - even when Johnson was issued a fine. Modest Genius talk 11:24, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose a bit of a pile on but I agree, this is a part of a much bigger story. Post when Trump is arrested. Polyamorph (talk) 11:45, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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August 8[edit]

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RD: Luis Enrique Oberto[edit]

Article: Luis Enrique Oberto (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Nacional
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Venezuelan MP and gvmt minister. Interestingly, he was the guy who first led the nationalization of Venezuela's oil industry. Curbon7 (talk) 07:46, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I had a look at those {cn} tags. It seems to me the problem was that the REF did not mention those years of elections. I have re-written and simplified that sentence to make it closer to what is in the REF. The same REF was also used later in the section for the 1998 election but the REF mentions nothing happening in 1998. I think another REF is needed. Announcements of retirement from politics were probably in the news, but I'm not sure how accessible info would be for something that happened in the previous millennium. --PFHLai (talk) 14:09, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Generalized the 1998 statement to just read as he left parliament in 1999. Curbon7 (talk) 21:22, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think this is the best way to solve this. I too have found it impossible to find a source to support this content. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:29, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Daren Gilbert[edit]

Article: Daren Gilbert (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New Orleans Saints
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death first reported on August 8. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:05, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Herb Roedel[edit]

Article: Herb Roedel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): San Francisco Chronicle (via Legacy.com)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died on July 25, first reported today (August 8). BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:07, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Bill Graham[edit]

Article: Bill Graham (Canadian politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian politician, served in government and was interim Leader of the Opposition. Article is in fairly good shape, but likely needs some additional citations, as some sections are missing cites. Kaiser matias (talk) 00:25, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • The prose has 10+ {cn} tags. The Electoral history section is unsourced. The Honours section needs more footnotes. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 09:01, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Zofia Posmysz[edit]

Article: Zofia Posmysz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Independent, HuffPost
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Tractor Tyres (talk) 22:06, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Resistance fighter in World War II, Holocaust survivor, who wrote an audio play about her experiences in Auschwitz, which was turned into a play and an opera. The article, created by Edison and written mostly by Poeticbent and myself, seems in reasonable shape. I believe we should receive credit, but don't know where to put it. I would have nominated tomorrow, after consulting more obits. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Olivia Newton-John[edit]

Article: Olivia Newton-John (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Singer-songwriter & actress who has passed away due to breast cancer, perhaps best known for starring in the film adaptation of Grease. Please note there is no blurb for this nomination. I accidentally put RD/Blurb instead of just RD. XxLuckyCxX (talk) 19:25, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The source is a verified FB, but it's not been picked up by any news outlets (yet). EvergreenFir (talk) 19:32, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's starting to get around. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:34, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Parade is (so far) the highest quality source to report it. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:42, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
BBC reporting just now, so that should start the chain reaction for want of a better word XxLuckyCxX (talk) 19:44, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
See also Cosmopolitan, CNN and The NY Post XxLuckyCxX (talk) 19:46, 8 August 2022 (UTC)