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For instructions on how to nominate an article, see Template:DYK nomination header § Instructions for nominators.
"Template:Did you know nominations" redirects here. For the list of approved nominations, see Template talk:Did you know/Approved.

This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, purge it.

Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
May 15 1
June 15 1
June 17 1
June 21 3 1
July 5 1
July 6 1
July 12 1
July 14 1 1
July 15 1
July 16 1
July 17 1 1
July 21 1
July 24 1 1
July 25 1 1
July 26 3
July 27 6 4
July 28 4 2
July 29 4 3
July 30 5 3
July 31 4 3
August 1 3 3
August 2 5 2
August 3 6 5
August 4 9 7
August 5 13 10
August 6 4 2
August 7 9 6
August 8 5 2
August 9 8 4
August 10 11 10
August 11 7 5
August 12 12 7
August 13 4 2
August 14 11 6
August 15 14 6
August 16 13 5
August 17 5 2
August 18 5
Total 186 104
Last updated 10:45, 18 August 2022 UTC
Current time is 11:01, 18 August 2022 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[edit]

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If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing.

Further information: Official supplementary guidelines and unofficial guide

Nominate an article

Frequently asked questions[edit]

How do I write an interesting hook?

Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.

When will my nomination be reviewed?

This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first, it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions below).

Where is my hook?

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.


Instructions for reviewers[edit]

Main page: Wikipedia:Did you know/Reviewing guide

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING  :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.
  • After the nomination is approved, a bot will automatically list the nomination page on Template talk:Did you know/Approved.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Advanced procedures[edit]

How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

At-a-glance instructions on how to promote an approved hook to a Prep area
Check list for nomination review completeness
1) Select a hook from the approved nominations page that has one of these ticks at the bottom post: Symbol confirmed.svg Symbol voting keep.svg.
2) Check to make sure basic review requirements were completed.
a. Any outstanding issue following Symbol confirmed.svg Symbol voting keep.svg needs to be addressed before promoting.
3) Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed.
4) Images for the lead slot must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot.
5) Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated).
6) Hook should make sense grammatically.
7) Try to vary subject matters within each prep area.
8) Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set.
Steps to add a hook to prep
  • In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote.
  • In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
1) For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue.
a. Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number.
2) Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot.
a. Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end.
b. Check that there's a bold link to the article.
3) If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template.
4) Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom
5) Check your work in the prep's Preview mode.
a. At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake.
6) Save the Prep page.
Closing the DYK nomination page
  1. At the upper left
    • Change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • Change |passed= to |passed=yes
  2. At the bottom
    • Just above the line containing

      }}<!--Please do not write below this line or remove this line. Place comments above this line.-->

      insert a new, separate line containing one of the following:
      To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
      To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
      To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
      To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
      To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
      To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
      To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]
    • Also paste the same thing into the edit summary.
  3. Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom.
  4. Save.

For more information, please see T:TDYK#How to promote an accepted hook.

Handy copy sources: To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]] To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]] To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]] To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]] To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]] To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]] To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]

How to remove a rejected hook[edit]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations[edit]

Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on May 15[edit]

Ich lobe meinen Gott, der aus der Tiefe mich holt

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 15:23, 22 May 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol question.svg @Gerda Arendt:, a good hook could be made by saying that this song is part of Neues Geistliches Lied, to express the interests of young people better than traditional hymns. The introduction to this article states says that the hymn is NGL, but the main body does not say it clearly. I will be happy to finish this review for you tomorrow! Flibirigit (talk) 22:50, 7 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Red XN - ?
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Article was created on May 15, and nominated on May 22, therefore new enough. Length is adequate. No plagiarism issues detected. QPQ has been done. The "Text and theme" section contains multiple quotes. As per WP:DYKCRIT, a citation needs to appear directly at the end of any sentence which includes a quote. The sentence which supports ALT0 needs a citation directly at the end. ALT0 is reasonably interesting. I am open to other hooks being proposed as per above. Flibirigit (talk) 16:52, 8 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Flibirigit: Perhaps this can work? ALT1 ... that the hymn "Ich lobe meinen Gott, der aus der Tiefe mich holt" is of a genre which aims to express the interests and ideas of young people better than traditional hymns? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:47, 15 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That is a good hook about the genre, but not about this specific song. Sadly the title is too long for the translation "I praise my Lord who gets me out of the depths", in the sense of Psalm 130 (Out of the deep ...). I think "Glory to God on earth" - vs. the normal "Glory to God in the Highest" has some of the idea. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:55, 15 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'll work more on a usage section, and hopefully find a better thing to say. Later today or tomorow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 15 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Will look for the changes. Flibirigit (talk) 15:05, 15 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Gerda Arendt:, please accept this courtesy reminder that no action has been made on this nomination during the week. Flibirigit (talk) 21:35, 22 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you. Sorry, terrible and happy events in real life. I looked further, and more sources stress the "on Earth" vs. "in the Highest" aspect. One newspaper describes it being sung on the Schlossplatz Stuttgart by the crowd gathered there of around 100.000, - that's probably more what you want. Should I add it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:10, 23 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The additional source will only help the article. A song sung by 100,000 persons could be hooky. Do you have other changes, or is it okay to go ahead with ALT0? Flibirigit (talk) 16:34, 23 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I added it, and a hook could be:
ALT2: ... that around 250,000 people joined singing the refrain of the 1979 Christian song "Ich lobe meinen Gott, der aus der Tiefe mich holt" at an evening event of the 2015 Kirchentag in Stuttgart?Source - I don't know how to say that usually only one of five in such a group actually sings ;) - Thank you for providing the cites to the quotes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:41, 23 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I like ALT2, it's better than the original hook at least. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:49, 24 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol question.svg ALT0 is now properly cited and mentioned inline, and verified by the source since I can read German. ALT0 is tentatively approved! ALT1 is struck as per the comments above by Gerda. I cannot think of a better way to word ALT1, so I will move on without it. As for ALT2, I am curious about the choice of "around 100,000". The source says, "Der Platz ist nun vollständig gefüllt, 250.000 Menschen sollen da sein." This seems to me to say estimated 250,000 people. Flibirigit (talk) 22:03, 24 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
you are right, I wrote from (bad) memory, changed --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:59, 24 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol confirmed.svg ALT0 and ALT2 approved as per above review. Flibirigit (talk) 23:11, 24 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5 and Flibirigit: Gerda brings up a reasonable problem with ALT2 – we can't verify how many people sang, only how large the crowd was and that many in the crowd sang. I prefer it over ALT0, so can either of you think of a snappy way to remove that mislead? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 11:08, 26 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm not sure what exact wording would work, but one idea could be to mention that 250,000 was the crowd, then mention that the crowd sung but without making the direct connection that 250,000 people sung? It's kind of hard to explain, but basically something like "there was a crowd of 250,000, and later that crowd sung (but it's unknown if all 250,000 sung)". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:19, 26 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
One would have to assume that this is dead on arrival, but I'll throw it out there anyway:
Gerda, which details would you like to see put back in this hook? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 01:50, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I believe the original is easier, and dislike the pipe, because those reading German will immediately see that it alludes to Psalm 130 - which might be another hook possibility, thinking of Yoninah.
ALT2b: ... that at an evening event of the 2015 Kirchentag, "Ich lobe meinen Gott, der aus der Tiefe mich holt" was performed on three stages for a crowd of around 250,000, and many joined for the refrain? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:24, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I disagree with that sentiment. Most readers of the English Wikipedia, including those reading the main page, do not understand German. People seeing the long title would not even realize that it is referring to a Psalm at all unless they know the language, and I doubt most readers do. I still think ALT2a is a better option here: it flows better, it's straight to the point, and I think the 250,000-strong crowd is a strong hook fact in on if itself. As such, Symbol voting keep.svg I am approving ALT2a only; rest of the review per Flibirigit. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 21:54, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I disagree with ALT2a, sorry, because "help" seems not a good word to say about people just singing along. I don't have a better word than "join". - I also disagree with your evaluation. The other day, we had a double nom with an author and his song Selig, wem Christus auf dem Weg begegnet. More people clicked the song than the author, although he came first. I think a longish German title may raise curiosity, while "a 1979 Christian song" will not, promised. What do you think, tlc? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
How about changing "helped sing" to simply "sung"? That way the context is "many in a crowd sang a song". It says that many sang the song, but it doesn't claim that all people in the song sang it (which was the concern raised about the earlier version). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:15, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Or how about, as a possible compromise, we could go with something like:
ALT2c ... that many in the 250,000-strong crowd sang the refrain of the Christian hymn Ich lobe meinen Gott, der aus der Tiefe mich holt during the 2015 Kirchentag?
I'm still not sold on the full German song being mentioned here but if a promoter promoted this I wouldn't object. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:18, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Symbol question.svg Why was ALT0 struck without comment or explanation? Flibirigit (talk) 14:45, 28 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Flibirigit, ALT0 was struck when Narutolovehinata5 postedI am approving ALT2a only at 21:54, 27 June 2022 (UTC). Having just read ALT0 myself, I think it's better struck; a Christian hymn claiming something about God is just not interesting. Some variant of the ALT2x proposals should work. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:07, 9 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol question.svg @Gerda Arendt:, how do you feel about ALT2c? Do you want to propose other hooks? Flibirigit (talk) 19:03, 25 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Flibirigit: Gerda hasn't been responding to pings on her nominations over the last few days despite activity elsewhere. Would it be better to wait for her response or could the nomination move forward without her reply? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:39, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I returned from a funeral last night and have more important things to do than DYK fine-tuning, sorry. I believe that the mass singing is catchy, and don't mind you going that way, but I believe that "glory to God on earth" (vs. the normal "in the Highest") tells a lot more about the song (and is not just saying something about God). But again, popularity is also good to know about the song, and ALT2c works for me. It was sung in the last service I attended, and is often the choice for the Gloria when singing mass for a young audience. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:16, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol question.svg In ALT2c, the word "many" is not reflected in the prose of the "Use" section. Please note that a translation of the corresponding source is: "At the latest with the "Hallelujah" of the chorus, the whole Schlossplatz joins in." Flibirigit (talk) 15:18, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Gerda Arendt: Has the above been resolved? Z1720 (talk) 19:32, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Why do you ping me? The hook without problems was the original - struck. Going for the sensational causes problems I can't solve. My experience with masses singing just is that perhaps a quarter sings, but that is no possible to source. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:24, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Gerda Arendt: As the nominator, I wanted to give you the chance to resolve the concerns above and/or propose new ALTs and get this approved. I'm going to ping @Narutolovehinata5 and Flibirigit:, who might be able to propose an ALT hook for approval. Z1720 (talk) 21:45, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I based ALT2c onAt the Kirchentag 2015 [de] in Stuttgart, the song was performed during an event called Abend der Begegnung (Evening of meeting) on the Schlossplatz with around 250,000 people attending; the song's verses were sung and played on three stages, and the crowd joined in the refrain. Originally, the proposal was to say the crowd itself sang the refrain, but Gerda said that not everyone in the crowd sang that part, hence the addition of "many". Either the prose has to be rephrased, or we may have to reword ALT2c further. As BlueMoonset said, the original hook is probably unsuitable. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:39, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The article says: "... with around 250,000 people attending; the song's verses were sung and played on three stages, and the crowd joined in the refrain." It doesn't imply that each single person was singing. It doesn't have to be changed. I just can't say that short enough for a hook. Anybody? - None of the proposals above mentions "crowd" or some equivalent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:02, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 15[edit]

Palu

Sementara keadaan Kota Donggala yang demikian, diadakan pembagian daerah Sulawesi Tengah dengan beslit gubemur Sulawesi tanggal 25 Oktober 1951 No. 633 yang menyatakan bahwa Sulawesi Tengah dibagi menjadi dua kabupaten yakni Kabupaten Poso dengan ibu Kota Poso dan Kabupaten Palu dengan ibu kota Palu. Dengan keluarnya beslit itu menjadikan Kota Donggala semakin kurang kemungkinan untuk dikembangkan. Peristiwa ini mengundang banyak protes dan pertentangan antara penduduk Palu dan Donggala. Untuk memperbaiki hubungan penduduk kedua kota tersebut yang telah menjadi tegang, maka A.R. Pettalolo mengajukan mosi pada tanggal 14 Nopember 1951 kepada gubernur · Sulawesi. Dengan mosi itu, maka diputuskanlah bahwa Kabupaten Palu diganti menjadi Kabupaten Donggala . dengan ibu kotanya berkedudukan di Palu (p 29)

5x expanded by Nyanardsan (talk). Self-nominated at 14:10, 15 June 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • First review attempt. Seems like the article was new and long enough and no copyvio detected. The source seems to be an Indonesian history textbook, which indeed mentions the conflict (page 40). Suggest the cause of conflict be mentioned, e.g.: ... that when Palu was chosen as the capital of Palu Regency in 1951, citizens of the nearby Donggala town protested as it was seen as limiting Donggala's development potential as an economic center? PetéWarrior (talk) 18:26, 13 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • ALT1:... that when Palu was chosen as the capital of Palu Regency in 1951, citizens of the nearby Donggala town protested as it was seen as limiting Donggala's development potential as an economic center? Comment: I'm okay with any proposed alts since I put a lot of effort into expanding this 5x, as long as it appears on the mainpage Nyanardsan (talk) 03:15, 14 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol question.svg Hi Nyanardsan. It is new enough and long enough. QPQ present. AGF on the Indonesian-language hook fact source. I do see enough copyediting issues that I want to send this to the Guild of Copy Editors before approving it to appear on the Main Page and am submitting a request simultaneously with this review. GOCE is a resource that may be particularly valuable for you. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:22, 17 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • ALT1, by the way, is probably a bit long. Let me suggest a reword: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:26, 17 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ALT1a: ... that the selection of Palu as capital of Palu Regency led to protests from the nearby town of Donggala, concerned they would lose out on economic development?
  • @Petewarrior and Sammi Brie: Am I missing something re "new enough"? The article looks like it's been around for years, so it requires either 5x expansion or passing a GAN. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 00:51, 27 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @SL93: I should have said "new enough and large enough expansion", which it is. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:00, 27 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The nominator is currently on a wikibreak and will be unable to respond to me here, but he DM'd me on WP:DISCORD and stated that "district head" should be changed to "regent" as regencies in Indonesia are headed by regents. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:02, 29 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Clarification: The "district head" error was actually in another nom by the same nominator, which I have since rectified. --LordPeterII (talk) 15:12, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I see that this is still awaiting its copy-edit treatment, but just wanted to say that I like ALT1a. And given Nyanardsan's statement from before their enforced wikibreak (I'm okay with any proposed alts since I put a lot of effort into expanding this 5x, as long as it appears on the mainpage), I think we can assume ALT1a would be okay for them as well. --LordPeterII (talk) 15:20, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 17[edit]

Supply-side progressivism

  • ... that supply-side progressives complain that the United States has closed more nuclear power plants than it has created this century? Source: Thompson, Derek (2022-01-12). "A Simple Plan to Solve All of America's Problems". The Atlantic. Retrieved 2022-05-27.
    • Reviewed:

Created by Ruthgrace (talk) and Qzekrom (talk). Nominated by Ruthgrace (talk) at 18:15, 20 June 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • I am reviewing Template:Did you know nominations/William George Carlile Kent for the QPQ requirement. Ruthgrace (talk) 19:14, 20 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol question.svg Thanks for writing an interesting new article! This is pretty close, but I believe the hook needs adjusting. "Progressives" is plural in the hook, but from what I can tell, the cited article is one person's analysis, so this isn't quite precise. For maximum strength of hook, I'd also suggest basing a hook in whatever you have that's close to being an independent secondary source (maybe the Irwin article?) rather than one of the opinion pieces.
Other elements look good though. Recency check: author nominated the article on June 20, and it was moved to mainspace on June 16. Article is more than long enough. It has a good density of citations; I went through all the citations, and much of it is cited to opinion pieces, but that seems appropriate for the subject matter when framed appropriately (and I checked the framing). Hook is short enough. Topic is of interest to a broad audience. Dreamyshade (talk) 00:51, 2 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Just to say that I have tweaked the hook, replacing "it's" with "it has" for formal writing. BTW, Ruthgrace, you are still QPQ-exempt as it's your first nomination but thank you for tackling that. I'll look over your review to make sure that you haven't missed anything (DYK is a complex business, after all). Schwede66 02:44, 12 July 2022 (UTC) done; looks all good Schwede66 03:12, 12 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have been struggling to think of an alt hook that is nearly as interesting as a DYK. Ruthgrace (talk) 04:15, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK how about this?
  • Alt 1 ... that supply-side progressives complain about how environmental regulations make it hard to build renewable energy plants, while oil and gas drilling are mostly exempt.
Sources:
  • Thompson, Derek (2022-01-12). "A Simple Plan to Solve All of America's Problems". The Atlantic. Retrieved 2022-05-27.
  • Yglesias, Matthew (November 2, 2021). "Energy innovation needs more than R&D". Slow Boring. Retrieved 2022-06-15.
  • Alt 2 ... that instead of conserving energy, supply-side progressives believe that we need an abundance of energy, especially clean energy, to continue human progress.
Sources:
  • Yglesias, Matthew (October 7, 2021). "The case for more energy". Slow Boring. Retrieved 2022-06-03.
  • Pritzker, Rachel (December 12, 2014). "The Case for Energy Abundance". Stanford Social Innovation Review. Retrieved 2022-06-15.
Ruthgrace (talk) 01:11, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ruthgrace: I don't know how much this applies to DYKs, but I think it would be good to rewrite these in an encyclopedic tone. For example, first- and second-person pronouns like "we" should be avoided: "supply-side progressives believe that we need an abundance of energy, especially clean energy, to continue human progress" → "supply-side progressives believe that abundant, clean energy is important for continued human progress". Similarly, the first alt could be reworded to avoid "complain about how".
Also, when describing a point of view, it's important to be specific about who is expressing that point of view. Claims like "supply-side progressives believe X" are vague. Which individuals believe X, and are they really supply-side progressives or not?
Here are some example hooks that fit the encyclopedic mold better IMO (we can use more interesting ones):
Qzekrom (she/her • talk) 13:22, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good point. Is this any better?
  • ALT 1.1: ... that supply-side progressives call attention to the fact that environmental regulations make it hard to build renewable energy plants, while oil and gas drilling are mostly exempt?
Sources:
  • Thompson, Derek (2022-01-12). "A Simple Plan to Solve All of America's Problems". The Atlantic. Retrieved 2022-05-27.
  • Yglesias, Matthew (November 2, 2021). "Energy innovation needs more than R&D". Slow Boring. Retrieved 2022-06-15.
Ruthgrace (talk) 00:33, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 21[edit]

Julie Ngungwa

Julie Ngungwa at UN ceremony
Julie Ngungwa at UN ceremony

** ALT1: ... that the new governor of the province of Tangayika, Julie Ngungwa (pictured), was ceremonially given the keys by Bintou Keita, the head of the United Nations stabilisation force? Source: The source is a photo but the United Nations is a creditable source.

    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Irene Parlby
    • Comment: Not sure its approporiate to include in the article lede that the province of Tangayika is larger than England so feel free to delete it, however its useful to mention here as she leads 3m people in an unstable part of her country. Feel free to improve before its approved.

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self-nominated at 09:40, 22 June 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Don't see how this meets the interestingness requirements. I expect such ceremonies are common in places where UN forces are present. Why not write a hook based on accomplishments besides just holding an office. (t · c) buidhe 08:23, 24 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
amazed. The hook has failed to communicate. Imagine if England had been occupied by a UN force of 1000s from a dozen countries including troops and police for years and years - and the UN Deputy General's rep had turned up to say that were withdrawing in the hope that the 100s of people killed in regular massacres might be ending, but they would be in nearby Scotland if required. This happens once in a lifetime, hopefully. Victuallers (talk) 08:34, 24 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, but the context is not clear in the hook, and hooks should not assume too much knowledge from readers. The fact that the hook has indeed "failed to communicate" probably means that a new hook is needed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:54, 24 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Having said that, I think the first hook may have some potential if additional context is given, but I think ALT1 should be dropped. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:02, 25 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
..alt2 ... that in June, UN forces left most of the province of Tangayika (ceremony pictured) leaving only two of Julie Ngungwa's territories in the "triangle of death"? Source:triangle of death etc
@Narutolovehinata5: A hook that communicates, I hope, that this isn't routine? Victuallers (talk) 13:21, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think ALT2 is better than ALT1. @Buidhe: Thoughts on it? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:12, 29 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Respectfully, as someone who's been editing on Congo topics and following events in the Congo on and off for several years, UN troops being shuffled around is well, something rather mundane at this point. The DYK itself isn't really about the subject it purports to be (her), I think it would be better to have something more specific to Ngungwa, not events happening around her. -Indy beetle (talk) 15:12, 15 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Indy beetle: Respectfully - the hook isnt aimed at you. Your knowledge here is interesting but it doesnt effect the hookiness. It may be passe to you but our average reader wouldnt know that there is a UN force in the DRC, I have been following events in the DRC too for several years and I cannot remember a similar incident. Have I missed several this year? Maybe we can do a hook based on the large number if you have a few refs? As you know the province in question is about the same size as the UK so I'm intrigued to see that they can move UN forces in and out of it routinely. Victuallers (talk) 11:44, 18 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That would be fine! Even if the withdrawals of UN troops do happen routinely then Alt2 still looks hooky to me and Buildhe seemed to agree. Victuallers (talk) 10:56, 27 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Suggesting an ALT3: ... that the election of Julie Ngungwa (pictured), Ritha Bola and Isabelle Kalenga as Congolese governors in 2021 was seen as significant for gender equality as no women governors had been elected in the previous election? Source: [3] Lajmmoore (talk) 10:16, 29 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Lajmmoore: ALT3 is above 200 characters; can it be shortened? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:55, 29 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ALT3a: ... that the 2021 election of Julie Ngungwa (pictured), and two other women as Congolese governors is significant for gender equality as no women were appointed in the previous election? Source: [4]
Thanks for checking my counting @Narutolovehinata5: I think this is on 200? Lajmmoore (talk) 11:10, 29 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg It's actually 171 characters (excluding pictured) which should make it just fine. The topic is somewhat outside my comfort zone so I won't approve it myself, but I hope either Buidhe or another editor comes along and finishes the review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:25, 29 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rubicon (protein)

Atomic structure of Rubicon (red) bound to switch molecule Rab7
Atomic structure of Rubicon (red) bound to switch molecule Rab7
  • ... that deleting the protein Rubicon (shown) increases lifespan and reduces age-related disease in mice, flies, and worms? Source: https:ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6381146/

    From the abstract: "Consistent with this idea, knockdown of Rubicon extends worm and fly lifespan and ameliorates several age-associated phenotypes. Tissue-specific experiments reveal that Rubicon knockdown in neurons has the greatest effect on lifespan. Rubicon knockout mice exhibits reductions in interstitial fibrosis in kidney and reduced α-synuclein accumulation in the brain."
    • ALT1: ... that genetically crossing (out) the protein Rubicon (shown) reduces hallmarks of aging in roundworms, fruit flies, and mice? Source: https:ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6381146/

      From the abstract: "Consistent with this idea, knockdown of Rubicon extends worm and fly lifespan and ameliorates several age-associated phenotypes. Tissue-specific experiments reveal that Rubicon knockdown in neurons has the greatest effect on lifespan. Rubicon knockout mice exhibits reductions in interstitial fibrosis in kidney and reduced α-synuclein accumulation in the brain."

    • ALT2: ... that when crossing out Rubicon (shown), the time to die is cast later in roundworms and female fruit flies? Source: https:ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6381146/

      From the abstract: "Consistent with this idea, knockdown of Rubicon extends worm and fly lifespan and ameliorates several age-associated phenotypes. Tissue-specific experiments reveal that Rubicon knockdown in neurons has the greatest effect on lifespan. Rubicon knockout mice exhibits reductions in interstitial fibrosis in kidney and reduced α-synuclein accumulation in the brain."

    • ALT3: ... that genetic deletion of Rubicon reduces hallmarks of aging in roundworms, fruit flies, and mice? Source: https:ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6381146/

      Frome the abstract: "Consistent with this idea, knockdown of Rubicon extends worm and fly lifespan and ameliorates several age-associated phenotypes. Tissue-specific experiments reveal that Rubicon knockdown in neurons has the greatest effect on lifespan. Rubicon knockout mice exhibits reductions in interstitial fibrosis in kidney and reduced α-synuclein accumulation in the brain."


    • Reviewed:

Created by Prodigiousfool (talk). Self-nominated at 19:52, 21 June 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol possible vote.svg It's a very interesting fact and the source on it is excellent. Unfortunately, I don't think the article qualifies per WP:DYKRULES as it was neither created, expanded fivefold, or promoted to GA status within seven days before the nomination. PianoUpMyNose (talk) 13:03, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • It was moved to mainspace on June 20, so it qualifies. I'm currently in the process of reviewing it in detail, though it takes quite some time as it is all rather technical. TompaDompa (talk) 13:16, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • You're right. This was my first review and I completely missed that. My mistake. PianoUpMyNose (talk) 19:08, 30 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Red XN - What's cited is that Rubicon deletion increases lifespan in (female fruit) flies and (round)worms and reduces (hallmarks of) age-related disease in mice. The current hook phrasing implies that it also increases lifespan in mice.
  • Interesting: Red XN - The proposed hook is rather dull. For a protein called Rubicon, I would suggest seizing the opportunity to make a humorous reference to crossing the Rubicon. Two possibilities off the top of my head would be "crossing out Rubicon" (i.e. performing a gene knockout) and making a pun on the multiple meanings of "die" (considering the English translation of Alea iacta est). Some other punny reference to Julius Caesar could also work.
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Article moved to mainspace on 20 June, and is well beyond the required minimum length. All sources are, as far as I can tell, reliable. Earwig reveals no copyvio and I didn't spot any instances of unacceptably WP:Close paraphrasing. The picture meets the requirements, inasmuch as any ribbon diagram of a protein can be "clear", though it doesn't aid the readers' understanding much and I think this might be better as a "quirky" DYK entry (typically placed last) than as the top entry—but I'll leave that decision to the promoter (not that kind). This is the nominator's first nomination, so they are QPQ exempt. On account of this all being rather technical, I'll never be able to entirely rule out having missed some disqualifying issue with the content and will eventually just have too WP:Assume good faith. That being said, spot-checking did reveal some issues that will need to be addressed. Since this is basically all WP:Biomedical information, the sourcing requirements are fairly strict. My comments:

  • one of the few known negative regulators of autophagy – "one of the few known" is key here, and I didn't find that in the cited source. I did however findRubicon is one of very few known broadly acting negative regulators of autophagy in reference 8 (https:ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7382272/).
  • cytosolic materials should probably be "cellular components".
  • impairs the autophagosome-lysosome fusion step of autophagy through inhibition of PI3KC3-C2 – It seems to me that the source to cite here is reference 8 (https:ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7382272/), which says "Rubicon disrupts autophagosome–lysosome fusion by inhibiting the class III phosphatidylinositol 3-kinase complex 2 (PI3KC3-C2)" rather than the sources it cites in the spirit of WP:Cite reviews, don't write them. It would at any rate have saved me as DYK reviewer a considerable amount of time in checking that the claims in the article are supported by the sources.
  • Lysosome should be linked.
  • Reference 13 and 14 are duplicates (both link to https:ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6381146). So are reference 5 and 12 (https:ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2664389); reference 7, 10, and 25 (https:ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6450660); and reference 8, 20, and 23 (https:ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7382272).
  • The WP:LEAD saysRubicon has been shown to positively regulate LC3-associated phagocytosis (LAP) and LC3-associated endocytosis (LANDO) whereas the body saysRubicon is required for LC3-associated phagocytosis (LAP) and LC3-associated endocytosis (LANDO). Is it a positive regulator or required?
  • direct interaction with multiple effector molecules – is "effector molecules" really the right term here?
  • The Rubicon homology domain is rich in histidine and cysteine residues – cysteine, yes, but histidine? Of the four zinc fingers, two have 3:1 cysteine:histidine ratios and the other two 4:0.
  • The C-terminal Rubicon homology domain mediates interaction with Rab7, and is shared by other RH domain-containing autophagy regulatory proteins, including PLEKHM1 and Pacer (also known as RUBCNL, Rubicon-like Autophagy Enhancer). is unsourced, though I think reference 8 (https:ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7382272/) would do.
  • The sources discuss inhibition of autophagosome maturation a great deal, but this article doesn't mention it at all.
  • conformational should link to protein conformation.
  • Rubicon recruits PI3KC3 to phagosomes – what the source says is thatin the absence of Rubicon, Beclin1, UVRAG, and VPS34 recruitment was reduced, suggesting that Rubicon plays a role in the retention of the complex at the LAPosome.
  • in some cases exacerbate infection – this is a statement about the clinical course of the infection. What the source says is that itfacilitates viral replication. More viral replication does not necessarily translate to a worse clinical infection.
  • Rubicon suppresses interferon and cytokine responses – interferons are a subgroup of cytokines, so this is phrasing is a bit odd. I would also link interferon and cytokine.
  • The sentenceSince reduced autophagy is associated with decreased lifespan and increase susceptibility to disease, therapeutic modulation of Rubicon is of great interest in aging and age-related diseases. categorically needs to be sourced.
  • I can maybe accept using "flies" to refer to Drosophila melanogaster—though I would really prefer "fruit flies"—but not using "worms" to refer to C. elegans since the reader is likely to interpret it as meaning earthworms rather than roundworms if they don't look up C. elegans, which they are not likely to do. The names of the species should also be rendered in italics.
  • Rubicon knockout increases lifespan in worms (C. elegans) and flies (D. melanogaster) through modulation of autophagy. – The source attributes this to autophagy modulation for the former (C. elegans Rubicon regulates lifespan via modulating autophagy.) but not for the latter as far as I can see. Moreover, this only applies to female D. melanogaster, according to the source (whole body dRubicon knockdown slightly but significantly extended the lifespan in female specific manner).
  • The mutation that causes Salih ataxia should be further explained as a single-nucleotide deletion and a link to frameshift mutation should be included somewhere.
  • the Rubicon C-Terminal domain and RH domain – the RH domain is the C-terminal domain, no?
  • This is consistent with subsequent structural studies investigating the Rubicon:Rab7 interface. – this seems to be your WP:ANALYSIS.
  • See Also should be "See also" with a lowercase "a".

Ping Prodigiousfool. TompaDompa (talk) 23:08, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Following edits by Prodigiousfool and a few additional ones by me, the content-related issues have now been sufficiently resolved. The article still doesn't discuss authophagosome maturation, but that's not required for DYK (it would however be necessary to cover that aspect if this were nominated for WP:Good article status). A better hook and this is good to go. TompaDompa (talk) 12:37, 1 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • @TompaDompa: thanks for your attention. I've updated the hook above per suggestions and discussion on the Talk page. I'll try to work on the article to discuss autophagosome maturation in the near future; that's definitely a good idea. - Prodigiousfool
      • For the record, the talk page in question is Template talk:Did you know nominations/Rubicon (protein) (not the article talk page). I've restored the old hook suggestion and labelled the new one ALT1 for ease of following the discussion. That being said, I don't think ALT1 is particularly "hooky" either; the idea is that the reader will be enticed to click the link to the article, which is kind of undercut by explaining the joke too much. I would suggest something along the lines of... that when crossing out Rubicon, the time to die is cast later in roundworms and female fruit flies? to get a pun on crossing the Rubicon and Alea iacta est both. TompaDompa (talk) 14:35, 2 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
        • @TompaDompa: Updated ALT1 based on your suggestion. I like the phrasing, though my intuition before was that something like that is too obfuscated for a general audience. I defer, of course, to your experience here! -- Prodigiousfool
          • Again, I've restored the previous version of ALT1 and labelled the edited version ALT2 for ease of following the discussion. I wouldn't say I'm all that experienced when it comes to DYK matters. Anyway: I agree that the hook is a bit opaque, but I think the double pun makes up for it. The point of the hook is after all to entice the reader to click the bolded link and read the article, and I would personally be more inclined to do so if I saw ALT2 on the main page than if it were slightly more clear but less humorous. However, before this appears on the WP:Main page somebody else will look at it to promote it to a prep or queue—and they may very well disagree with me if they find "the time to die is cast later" too awkward a phrasing and/or the pun on "the die is cast" too subtle. I wouldn't blame them, and it's precisely because there are additional layers of checking that I am comfortable approving it. With all that said: Symbol confirmed.svg ALT2 is ready. TompaDompa (talk) 16:44, 7 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Symbol possible vote.svgAs discussed on the DYK talk page, it needs a new hook. Schwede66 09:41, 18 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'd like to nominate ALT3: "... that genetic deletion of the protein Rubicon reduces hallmarks of aging in roundworms, fruit flies, and mice?". I know that TompaDompa finds this form uninspiring (see their comments on the similar ALT1), however I'd argue that both to scientific and general audiences this is an interesting piece of information. From a scientific perspective, this protein was discovered and its function elucidated quite recently, and as the article says it is a potential target for novel therapeutics. To a general audience, the concept of aging mitigation is likely of interest and the Rubicon article can provide a gateway to reading about multiple related topics, including autophagy. I don't think the fact that the results originate from model organisms detracts from the hook, especially given the lack of controlled aging trials in humans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prodigiousfool (talk • contribs) 05:29, 23 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg The original hook and ALT1 and ALT2 all having been rejected on the DYK talk page, ALT3 needs to be reviewed. (I've edited the version just above so it matches what's given up top for the same ALT3.) BlueMoonset (talk) 22:50, 25 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't think the wording in ALT3 is not matched in the article. The article does not state that Rubicon's deletion increases the lifespan in mice (although other benefits are given) and the article says that it increases the lifespan of roundwords and fruit flies, not "reducing hallmarks of aging". I'm suggesting an ALT below:
ALT4: ... that genetic deletion of the protein Rubicon increases the lifespan of roundworms and fruit flies?
@Prodigiousfool and TompaDompa: Thoughts? Z1720 (talk) 23:47, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Z1720: I would contend that the 'hallmarks of aging' phrasing is consistent with the citation, as it does not imply actual aging, but I defer to your judgment here. – Prodigiousfool
As I indicated at WT:DYK, I don't think the fact that performing a specific knockout extends lifespans in Caenorhabditis elegans and female Drosophila melanogaster is terribly interesting in itself; these animals are used for genetic studies because it's practical (short lifespans and so on), and there is no reason to expect this to translate to humans (it doesn't even translate to male D. melanogaster). That being said, I'm not going to protest if somebody else approves such a hook. TompaDompa (talk) 19:17, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Prodigiousfool: My concern with ALT 3 was not that it was not reflected in the source, but rather that it is not present in the article itself. If hallmarks of aging is the prefered language, then that should be put in the article. @TompaDompa: I find ALT3/4 to be interesting, as increasing life in animals could have ramifications in other species, like himans. If you do not think ALT3/4 are interesting then please propose new ALTs. Z1720 (talk) 01:52, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not going to review this nomination but I do think that ALT4 is a decent hook. Can we go with it if there's no article/sourcing issues with it? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:30, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I support ALT4. Alternatively ALT5: ... that genetic deletion of the protein Rubicon is associated with reduction of aging-associated diseases in mice, roundworms, and fruit flies? I'd be happy with either being reviewed and putting this issue to rest. Tag Z1720, Narutolovehinata5. – Prodigiousfool
I haven't checked the article but I think ALT4 is a better hook since it's simpler. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:40, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: The article itself has already been reviewed. The only thing that is needed is a new hook. The difficulty with pages like this is coming up with a hook that is interesting without insinuating more significance than is warranted. In this case, the issue I have with ALT3/ALT4/ALT5 is that what would make it interesting is the implicit suggestion that this might have medical implications for humans, which is not warranted. To my eye, we're either making too strong a claim (if we are indeed implying that this could have implications for humans) or stating something that is rather dull (if we are not). Others might disagree, of course. Another angle that might be pursued in crafting an interesting hook is that the protein appears to have been independently discovered/characterized as part of investigations of autophagy[5] and Salih ataxia[6][7], though this is not currently mentioned in the article. By the way, I discovered this article which appears (I haven't read the article in detail) to contradict the article about Rubicon's role in LAP. This should be resolved. TompaDompa (talk) 21:13, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
... implicit suggestion that this might have medical implications for humans. Personally I didn't see that connection at all. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:37, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 5[edit]

Transgender genocide

  • ... that Adam Jones has described violence against transgender people in Brazil as "unquestionably gendercidal"? Source: Jones, Adam (2016). Genocide: A Comprehensive Introduction (3rd ed.). London: Routledge. pp. 745–746. ISBN 9781138823846.

Created by ProfGray (talk) and ThadeusOfNazereth (talk). Nominated by ThadeusOfNazereth (talk) at 10:58, 6 July 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol possible vote.svg @ProfGray and ThadeusOfNazereth: Welcome to DYK! (I've reviewed 500+ articles at DYK, but this one is like a gut punch to review.) The article is new enough, long enough, sufficiently cited, has no copyvio concerns and no formatting issues. ALT0 would be AGF. ALT1 seems fine. However, I note that the merge discussion (which seems like it's being opposed) and orange dispute tags must be resolved before this nomination progresses. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 16:56, 23 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Understood, thanks Sammi Brie. For some reason I thought I had already put the nomination on hold when that happened. Hopefully we'll be able to reopen soon. Can you clarify one thing? When you say "ALT0 would be AGF", are you saying you're assuming good faith that it's an accurate representation since you can't access, or is that a different abbreviation unique to DYK? ThadeusOfNazereth(he/they)Talk to Me! 19:34, 23 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The nomination remains active, and we can reevaluate in a week or two depending on the progress of talk page discussions. Yes, ThadeusOfNazereth, that is the correct meaning of AGF here. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:22, 23 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I have accessed a pdf version of the book, and I can confirm that this is what Adam Jones wrote. The relevant quote is this:In recent years, as gay rights have become gradually more accepted and respected, the burden of atrocity has increasingly targeted transgender women and male transvestites. The country with by far the highest—unquestionably gendercidal—levels of such violence is Brazil, where “an estimated 326 trans people were reported killed” in 2014, or “one person every 27 hours.”, cited to this source, which itself relies on a report in Prensa Latina, a Cuban state newswire agency, and Prensa Latina cites official Brazil govt statistics. IMHO that isn't exactly showing best citation practices, but the hook is indeed verified and the author is a subject-matter expert, so yeah, that's fine. That said, I don't feel like reviewing topics I have little idea about. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 03:27, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Also, ALT1 might not be very interesting because, even though Fritz Kitzing seems to be often used as a case to show that the Nazis were oppressive towards transgender people, he is not otherwise known for anything else. I'd prefer either a quantifier (e.g. 90% of trans people who went to Dr. Hirschfeld's consultancy in Berlin went to concentration camps) or showing a better known transgender person, if there is any. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 03:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 6[edit]

2022 Iran–Greece naval incident

Created by Aye1399 (talk). Self-nominated at 14:18, 12 July 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough and long enough. QPQ-exempt (3rd nomination). Hook fact checks out. Made some formatting fixes and added one additional reference. No textual issues. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:49, 25 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I have reopened this due to some concerns I have about the accuracy of the hook and the article. I am going to have to take a closer look at the sources before taking this one further. Gatoclass (talk) 14:47, 30 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Gatoclass: Are you still planning to take a look at this? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:09, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, I just haven't been able to find any time for Wikipedia over the past few days. Gatoclass (talk) 03:47, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Gatoclass: It's been about a week since you stopped this, If you think you won't have time in the next 2-3 days, I can reguest for a new reviewer.Aye1399 (talk) 08:12, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg This needs a new reviewer. ─ The Aafī (talk) 10:47, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 12[edit]

Point and Shoot (Better Call Saul)

5x expanded by FishandChipper (talk). Self-nominated at 09:37, 19 July 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The QPQ was properly completed and this article has been expanded sufficiently, with an appropriate size. However, the Copyvio score shows overquoting from The Hollywood Reporter, you need to remove or replace the Evening Standard per WP:RSP and the source cited here does not mention him having a heart attack after 12 hours. Once these issues are resolved, this should be good to go I think! K. Peake 06:40, 27 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I removed the Evening Standard but I believe The Hollywood Reporter source does indeed say that it was after filming for 12 hours he had the heart attack, quote: "Banks jumped in to declare, “Bobby was dead. Three times with the [defibrillator] paddles,” as Seehorn explained the moment from her view, when she and Fabian were 12 hours into filming with Odenkirk." Also how exactly do you think the overquoting should be resolved? This is my first nomination so I'm kinda new to this.FishandChipper 🐟🍟 09:56, 27 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
FishandChipper The remaining issue is in the article itself and that can be fixed by putting parts of the quote(s) into your own words; sorry for the late response, I have been busy elsewhere on this site! K. Peake 11:32, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@FishandChipper: no move has been made to address the copyvio issue – i'm going to say that if it's not resolved within a week, the nomination should be marked for closure. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 19:12, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
theleekycauldron Sorry I've been really busy irl recently so I haven't gotten around to it but I'll try do it on the weekend.FishandChipper 🐟🍟 19:15, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 14[edit]

Articles created/expanded on July 15[edit]

Mandla Lamba

Tshepo Motsepe and Cyril Ramaphosa
Tshepo Motsepe and Cyril Ramaphosa
  • ALT0:... that fraudster Mandla Lamba rose to fame by passing himself off as a billionaire mining tycoon who owned gold, diamond and manganese mines in three different African countries? [1] (claim to fame)
    • ALT1: ... that "fake billionaire" Mandla Lamba hired three bodyguards in order to project a public image of extensive wealth, but failed to pay the security company for their services? [1][2] (irony)
    • ALT2: ... that "fake billionaire" Mandla Lamba lambasted journalists who wrote an exposé on him, accusing them of being part of a plot to harass and discredit him? [3] (pun)
    • ALT3: ... that in 2010, future South African President Cyril Ramaphosa personally phoned in to a radio show to refute claims that he and his wife Tshepo Motsepe (both pictured) had mentored "fake billionaire" Mandla Lamba? [4] (unusual personal intervention)
    • ALT4: ... that "fake billionaire" Mandla Lamba was called the "Black Economic Empowerment Houdini" by a South African news outlet for successfully evading arrest by the police? [2] (nickname)
    • ALT5: <.. that in October 2010, police in Johannesburg mistakenly arrested, then released "fake billionaire" Mandla Lamba without realising that he was a wanted person?[5] (surprising bungle)
    • ALT6: ... that in July 2021, "fake billionaire" Mandla Lamba appeared on influencer Somizi Mhlongo's Instagram channel to promote his electric vehicle company, offering shares at a "special" 90% discount? [6] (most recent high-profile activity)
    • ALT7: ... that South African banks Investec, Capitec and Absa have all refuted claims by "fake billionaire" Mandla Lamba of having business relationships with them? [1][7] (modus operandi)
    • Reviewed: QPQ exempt (nom #2)
    • Comment: 5× (complete rewrite) over the course of 15~16 Jul 2022 in response to AfD discussion; outcome still pending. WP:BLPCRIME scrutiny welcomed.

Created/expanded by 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:42, 17 July 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation

Image eligibility:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Nice job saving this article! Recently expanded 5x, no copyvio and seems balanced. The sourcing might need a little work though. The article and several hooks cite Forbes Contributor article which isn't a reliable source. Can this be replaced with a more reliable source (the refs look good otherwise)? ALT0 seems the most interesting to me, but it's cited to a Forbes Contributor article. Striking ALT5 and ALT6 since they don't seem quite as interesting as the others. Re: ALT3 I'm not sure if running a photo of someone other than the person in the hook is ideal, but the hook itself is good. (Note: I also removed some overlinking from the hooks.) BuySomeApples (talk) 03:43, 26 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Oh, hello again BuySomeApples! I think the AfD was headed toward keep anyway (on the basis that sources exist) so can't really take credit for "saving" the article. TIL about FORBESCON being distinct from Forbes. Pretty sure almost if not everything in the article and hooks are backed up by other sources so if the rest of the sources are good then I'll just have to do a bit of inline citation rejiggling. Minor inconvenience since the Forbes source is a pretty good summary that touches on a lot of the key points, but no biggie. Re: hooks, I actually thought the police bungle was quite amusing; personally felt that the ALT2 pun was the weakest one. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Re: photographs, I'd gone with the Ramaphosas because I wasn't sure how BLP comes into play here. Would BLP pose an obstacle to running a photo of Lamba himself on front page? I know this picture (from a deleted simple English article) is a no-go, but there's this and I do wonder if it would be worth the trouble trying to get it or some other photo released under a suitable license so we could run it. — 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk) 17:30, 26 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • On second look, so I'll unstrike ALT5 it's a pretty great hook. I don't think running a photo with it would violate BLP per se, but it might not be worth the trouble since the photographer might not even release the photo anywhere. It's up to you though, since we can always wait to finish this nom for the photo. BuySomeApples (talk) 23:11, 26 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not so fast. There's a discussion at BLPN right now. Also, that image--Ramaphosa and Motsepe should NOT be pictured in this DYK hook, nor, I believe, should they be mentioned in it. Drmies (talk) 01:11, 27 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b c https:forbes.com/sites/mfonobongnsehe/2011/05/13/fake-south-african-billionaire-arrested-for-fraud-homicide-charges/
  2. ^ a b https:iol.co.za/news/south-africa/gauteng/cops-burst-lambas-moet-bubble-1068854
  3. ^ https:iol.co.za/news/damned-lies-all-lies-lamba-746866
  4. ^ https:iol.co.za/news/south-africa/gauteng/lamba-they-are-denying-me-788999
  5. ^ https:iol.co.za/news/south-africa/so-young-so-rich-so-many-questions-730932
  6. ^ https:news24.com/fin24/companies/industrial/sas-fake-billionaire-is-back-now-selling-shares-on-special-to-somizis-followers-20210703
  7. ^ https:news24.com/fin24/companies/capitec-and-absa-say-fake-billionaire-lied-about-partnerships-20210707

Articles created/expanded on July 16[edit]

Bombing of Mokha

5x expanded by Mhhossein (talk). Nominated by Mhhossein (talk) at 12:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • @Mhhossein: Can you provide a QPQ for this? Thanks, Z1720 (talk) 03:58, 30 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol delete vote.svg No QPQ was provided within seven days of the nomination, despite a ping above and activity elsewhere. This is purely procedural and the nomination can resume if a QPQ is provided. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:41, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Having done dozens of DYKs so far, due to the usual backlog, it takes numerous days for the QPQed nominations to be reviewed and promoted. It is just a surprise seeing this comment and ridiculous for a QPQnomination to be closed solely for lack of QPQ. The QPQ will be provided within the coming days. --Mhhossein talk 10:43, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's per a recent recent rule change to DYK. See WP:DYKCRIT:Ideally, a QPQ should be submitted within a week of a nomination. After one week, and a reminder to the nominator, a nomination may be closed as "incomplete." Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:58, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol possible vote.svg Nominator was notified of the lack of a QPQ on July 30. This nomination should be rejected if no QPQ is supplied within a week from then, that is August 6. Flibirigit (talk) 16:44, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 21[edit]

Rowan Taylor (composer)

Created by October(BYU) (talk). Self-nominated at 16:56, 21 July 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • General eligibility:
  • New Enough: Green tickY
  • Long Enough: Red XN - article is only just over 1500 characters and is on the edge of being a stub.

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Some quite major issues with sourcing and article size need to be rectified before approval. Vladimir.copic (talk) 02:43, 29 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for your review and feedback! I agree that the Musicalics article is not the most reliable source. I've edited out the information from that article. However, the obit from Motley Vision can be considered reliable. According to WP:SELFPUB, a blog by an expert in the field is okay to use as a source, and Kent Larsen is an expert in the field of Mormon Letters. Even incidental mentions in newspapers are considered reliable, too. I think that the BYU Special Collections entry on Taylor, the various newspaper articles about his works (Papa and the Playhouse, Coriantumr, etc), and this newspaper article especially all support his notability. I hope that you'll review some of the edits I made to the article and agree that Rowan Taylor is a notable composer. October(BYU) (talk) 17:07, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Still not sure about notability here so requesting another reviewer to look at this. Vladimir.copic (talk) 10:22, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 26[edit]

Dave Wasserman

Converted from a redirect by ElectionWiz (talk). Nominated by Feminist (talk) at 06:09, 2 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol question.svg Welcome to DYK, ElectionWiz! New enough and long enough. QPQ present. I have two possible concerns for you and Feminist to address.
  • Two entire paragraphs depend on summarizing Wasserman's Cook bio. These sections lift too many words in a row (some of which, however, are titles or names of organizations which are permissible and unavoidable). See [8]. Is there anything to break this up a bit? This really needs to be addressed.
  • I adore ALT0...but I fear that, for some of our readers outside the United States, this quirky is about as interesting as cricket results are to me, so I'm leaving some possible options here.
    • The close paraphrasing/copyvio issue must be fixed before I can really contemplate this nomination much further. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:43, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg @Sammi Brie: Thanks for the review and the hooks! I've broken up the words a bit. A new reviewer may be needed for your hooks. feminist (talk) 03:23, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Trump alternate electors controversy

Created by Soibangla (talk). Nominated by FormalDude (talk) at 23:39, 26 July 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

* ALT1 has a better wikilink target; however, there is some preliminary discussion about the article title. I don't know the procedures for DYK nominations (especially if there are deadlines), but ideally the title discussion will wrap up expeditiously, one way or the other, before a DYK goes active. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 09:54, 27 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Antony-22, ALT1 is interesting but is too long. Hooks need to be 200 characters at most, yours is 219. The main hook, or the shortened ALT1, may be considered for review. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 02:49, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There's discussion going on about whether "alternative" or "falsified" is better, so I'm providing both options at this time. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 05:33, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Since "fake electors" blows away every other "(adjective) electors" that I have researched, I kinda think the article title should be changed per WP:COMMONNAME NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 05:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That one is even worse, because my character counter shows 230 characters (ALT2a/b have 195 characters, though they may benefit from making the hook shorter). Also, please resolve the alternate/fake elector issue before proceding further. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 12:31, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oops, thanks for catching that. I didn't realize my version of Word counts characters with... and without spaces. I used the without number.NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:02, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@FormalDude and Szmenderowiecki: Where are we with this nomination? Are there any outstanding concerns? Z1720 (talk) 19:45, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Both ALT2s pass formal criteria but IDK if they are going to be in DYK. I'm not the one who decides here. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 20:24, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

With the RM now completed, I'm proposing an additional hook. ––FormalDude talk 03:37, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I want to point out that calling it "Trump's plot", which is different than the actual article title, is potentially a WP:BLPCRIME issue. It's a fact that the fake electors were voting for Trump, but due to the strictness of BLPCRIME there needs to be at least an indictment and preferably a conviction to give someone "ownership" of a conspiracy. ALT2b does not have these issues. I'll leave it up to the promoter to decide. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 02:47, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 27[edit]

Mick Moloney

Mick Moloney
Mick Moloney

5x expanded by Bloom6132 (talk). Self-nominated at 14:55, 2 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol question.svg This is more of a comment than a review for now, but perhaps something more can be said about Moloney here? The hook is somewhat on the pedestrian side of things given that the connection between "social worker" and "founding a band" isn't clear here. Maybe either a hook about his father being an air traffic controller or the Green Fields being a band that plays Irish music could add interest? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:42, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Disagree. The hook should be focused the subject himself, not his family members/what they did. And adding more details to the hook will make it less interesting. I think Moloney bridging two distinct fields transcontinentally makes for a far more interesting hook than what could be said using the suggestions above. Full review needed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:15, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article meets requirements, the hook facts are cited inline and verified. A QPQ has been done. Earwigs detects significant overlap with this source, so that needs to be resolved before approval. I disagree with the above statement: as far as I can tell, the transcontinental thing is not obvious at first glance and unless additional details are added the reader won't get why him establishing the band is so important. That's not to say the hook fact itself is unsalvageable. It's more of the hook as currently written is rather pedestrian, but it can still be improved to become a decent hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:31, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I was discussing the nomination with Sammi Brie over on Discord and she said that she had a suggestion for an alternate hook. I'll let her propose it here and I'm asking if you'd be fine with it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:33, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Bloom6132: Still with us? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:41, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Overlap with LoC source was addressed back on August 6 (though such overlap may actually be permissible since that source is a work of the U.S. government). Whatever overlap remains are mostly proper names that fall under WP:LIMITED. —Bloom6132 (talk) 03:08, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Bloom6132: For reasons I've elaborated on above I've struck ALT0. Are you okay with ALT1? If not, some variant of ALT0 could probably be workshopped further but the original hook is unsuitable. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:10, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I am fine with ALT1. I am, however, not fine with you striking ALT0, as it satisfies WP:DYKHOOK (i.e. sourced, neutral, not unduly negative, etc.). Requesting a second look at both ALT0 and ALT1 from an uninvolved editor (who can also confirmed that any WP:CLOP has been removed). —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:36, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol question.svg I frankly do not think that ALT0 meets the "interesting to a broad audience" criterion here. And "interesting to a broad audience" is also a part of WP:DYKHOOK. I have re-struck ALT0 as nominators generally don't unstrike an already struck hook without some discussion with the reviewer. As I mentioned earlier, I am not against ALT0's hook fact, merely its wording. I am still open to some variation of ALT0 (perhaps with additional context or different wording), just not ALT0 as currently written. If you are not willing to propose alternate versions of ALT0 then I suppose I'll be approving ALT1 instead as a compromise. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:45, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Well, I disagree with your subjective assessment (which is not the case with the other criteria in WP:DYKHOOK – they're pretty clear cut and objective). The last time you suggested an alternative hook for one of my noms claiming that it would make a better, more catchy DYK hook (Wayne Cooper (basketball), back in June this year), it drew in just 1,938 views. So there is good reason to (at the very least) question your take on what constitutes "interesting to a broad audience". That's why I've asked for an uninvolved editor to have a look at ALT0 and ALT1. For the new reviewer:
Again, for an uninvolved editor to assess. —Bloom6132 (talk) 08:01, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not exactly sure why you really want ALT0 as written specifically when ALT1 already exists and is a suitable alternative. You already said that you're fine with ALT1, so why not just go with it? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:06, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Is there anything wrong with leaving it to the nom promoter decide? I'm fine if they choose ALT1 over ALT0, but the choice should at least be presented to them. It's not like ALT1 is palpably the superior hook that you're making it out to be. —Bloom6132 (talk) 08:11, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I like ALT0, but I'd want to see some clarification about what the Green Fields of America is – it wasn't immediately clear to me where the hookiness came from. Other than that, i suppose it's passably interesting. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 19:37, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've now specified that it is an Irish traditional music ensemble. —Bloom6132 (talk) 06:10, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Geothermal energy in Turkey

Geothermally heated spa in Keramet, Orhangazi
Geothermally heated spa in Keramet, Orhangazi

Improved to Good Article status by Chidgk1 (talk). Self-nominated at 06:33, 27 July 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]


General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - The wording of the hook feels clunky and would be interested in seeing some alts

Image eligibility:

  • Freely licensed: Green tickY
  • Used in article: Green tickY
  • Clear at 100px: Red XN - The picture isn't the greatest of images at a small resolution but I guess its not a blocker to the nom
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg better hook and fixing some of the close paraphrasing and we are good! Seddon talk 02:01, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Could not find a better pic sorry but fixed copyvio (I think - Earwig is not working for me right now)Chidgk1 (talk) 11:37, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ALT1 ... that the Romans enjoyed balneotherapy from geothermal energy in Turkey? Source: Hierapolis is an exceptional example of a Greco-Roman thermal installation established on an extraordinary natural site. The therapeutic virtues of the waters were exploited at the various thermal installations, which included immense hot basins and pools for swimming. https:whc.unesco.org/en/list/485/

ALT2 ... that to effect greenhouse warming global hottest is geothermal energy in Turkey? (will cite if you like it) Chidgk1 (talk) 11:56, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ALT3 ... that reinjection is good protection, against a greenhouse effect when effecting greenhouse warming? (will cite if you like it) Chidgk1 (talk) 13:54, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ALT4 ... that, for hot Turkey, to avoid passing foul-smelling gas and annoying people nearby it is important to make sure we have reinjection.

ALT1 is the same as the main hook, so no need to repeat it. ALT2-4 seem to be -translated and make no sense for me. The fourth translation is even somewhat funny when you think of it. I can't speak Turkish, but maybe someone else can help you out. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 08:39, 30 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Szmenderowiecki: ALT2-4 are aimed at native English speakers like me. So they are kind of puzzles which make no sense at first, so readers might be tempted to click to find out the meaning. ALT2 looks like a word salad reversing "greenhouse effect" and "global warming" but means that there are more geothermally heated greenhouses in Turkey than elsewhere in the world. ALT3 rhymes in the first clause and then reverses "greenhouse effect": meaning is that the CO2 must be put back in ground. ALT4 is supposed to make schoolkids think of farting: meaning is that hydrogen sulphide should be put back in ground. Chidgk1 (talk) 11:05, 30 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Seddon: I just noticed you are an ex-geologist. As well as checking above hooks, if you have time could you tell me whether the geology parts of the article could be improved at all? Chidgk1 (talk) 11:09, 30 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hmm, @Chidgk1 while I don't doubt your language proficiency, I must admit that I would have assumed ALT2-4 to be translations as well – and reported them as a main page error, instead of being intrigued by them :/ Which is a shame, because quirkyness is one of the things I like about DYK. But at this level of quirky, they might work for April's fool or something; I think you'd need to make them a little less confusing for non-natives like me. --LordPeterII (talk) 08:23, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 28[edit]

John Jarvis-Smith

  • ... that when the British government discovered that John Jarvis-Smith wasn't dead, they gave him a medal? Source: see article
    • Reviewed: Catherine Flanagan
    • Comment: still expanding the article with more details on the medal

5x expanded by Philafrenzy (talk), Edwardx (talk), and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 22:09, 4 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi Philafrenzy, a nice little article saved from deletion. A few comments:
  • I don't yet make it a 5x expansion
  • "on the buses" feels a bit colloquial, can it be rephrased?
  • "in Operation Infatuate, the British and Canadian amphibious assault on heavily fortified and entrenched German positions on the Dutch island of Walcheren" is a direct copy from the source, could use rewording.
  • The "when they discovered [he] wasn't dead" part of the hook isn't yet reflected in the article

I see the article is still being worked on, if you give me a ping when you think it's ready I'll pop back to recheck. Thanks - Dumelow (talk) 08:27, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorry, I forgot. I will do it in the next day or so. Philafrenzy (talk) 19:58, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Midwest Food Bank

Created by Compassionate727 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:15, 3 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol question.svg Article meets DYK requirement for being new, and for length. No QPQ, but this is first nomination. Citations are well used, and a range of good sources. There is an outstanding citation tag for the status of the food bank as a charity. Other than that it seems fine and reasonably well written. Could definitely benefit from including the logo and infobox type information (founder, turnover etc.). OwainDavies (about)(talk) edited at 14:09, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Erm, not my first. This is my third or fourth, so still no QPQ necessary, but definitely not my first. Anyway, I think I'm nearing the limits of my ability to expand this article. I'd like to replace the one flagged source with a better source; I think the one I cited is adequate, but I recall there being other sources that say it more directly (in fact, I am certain I found something somewhere that attributed part of Midwest's success to its ability to ship food across the country easily). I also need a source for the continued use of family food boxes. Every post-COVID article on their disaster relief efforts mentions them by name, but that's technically OR; there was an article somewhere where someone said that family food boxes weren't going anywhere, I'm hoping that will be adequate. Give me a little bit for those, though, I've opened perhaps a hundred articles in the process of researching this and it will take time for me to find the specific sources I need again.
    There are also a few other things I'd like to do: the 99% of money goes directly to programs statistic is expressed differently in different articles, I'd like to make another pass to synthesize the clearest expression of them; it would be nice to include the $40 million dollars of food distributed on an $860,000 budget figure, but that's just within a single state, so integrating that will be a bit clunky; I should include the total food donations nationwide; I'd like to rewrite the inflation surge paragraph to flow better, and while I'm at it, I should mention how the withdrawal of pandemic-era stimulus and welfare exasberated things; I might delete the priding itself on low admin costs statement (the source is slightly dubious, and it doesn't fully match the tenor of some of Midwest's employees' own quotes on the subject); there's a heck of a lot of different figures on how much food Midwest can buy with a dollar, I'll need to reread the dozen or so articles that mention the stat and write a footnote explaining the differences; I should fill out some more of the infobox fields (and cite them); and the lead is a bit stilted and could benefit from a copy-editing pass.
    To be clear, I'm writing all of this for my own sake (so I remember), not because you need to do anything with the information. I think the only thing technically standing in the way of approving this for the main page is the need to track down a source for the continued use of family food boxes for disaster relief. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 18:57, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 29[edit]

Aaron and Adam Weis

were, together, Bradley Bradshaw, and each of them Bay Area Teacher of the Month?

Created by KnightMove (talk). Self-nominated at 11:12, 2 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol possible vote.svg QPQ has been completed, article was created recently enough to an adequate size and Copyvio score looks fine. However, articles need to be covered by reliable sources and I'm not sure about 826valencia; as for the hook itself, use an alt specifying that they played Bradley Bradshaw together and remove the Bay Area Teacher part since that is an additional fact. Regarding linking the source, you can simply do so like this. K. Peake 11:29, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for your feedback.
Now I have mentioned 826 Valencia explicitly as the organization issuing the award - I guess they are reliable about whom they grant their own awards.
About your other points, please specify - this is my very first nomination, so I am not too familiar with the rules yet.
"... that is an additional fact" - so it is unwanted to combine facts from different sources?
"...as for the hook itself, use an alt..." - what exactly do you mean, please? --KnightMove (talk) 12:06, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Anyway, I have created the shortened hook. --KnightMove (talk) 12:56, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Hold up: I don't think these one-time actors and local teachers may meet notability critera. Sources currently include CNN iReport (user-generated content), Facebook posts, "Kalia news" (which does not even mention the brothers). As minor actors in a single role (and a commercial) that would not merit an encyclopedia entry. Being voted "teacher of the month" does not get someone into an encyclopedia. I see sources with a single mention of the twins, and local recognition of minor awards from 826 Valencia, but not significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources. --Animalparty! (talk) 02:52, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The kaliannews.info link is also not claimed in the article to mention the twins, it is used as a reference for a specific statement in context. The three media, articles from which I have set as weblinks, are used as sources in thousands of Wikipedia articles each. I still do think that they got sufficient significant coverage to be notable. --KnightMove (talk) 14:23, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Basically everything independently notable about these twins could be condensed to a sentence regarding their Top Gun appearance. Per WP:SINGLEEVENT, a redirect and mention at Top Gun or Top Gun (franchise) is probably sufficient. I'm sure they're fine teachers, but they're not encyclopedia-notable for being teachers.
A further review of sourcing (both currently cited and things I've found externally):
  • Bell, Diane (7 July 2018). "Tom Cruise movie sequel takes off without San Diego's 'Top Gun' twins". San Diego Union-Tribune. This is probably the single most significant coverage the twins have received in 35 years (other movie gossip sites refer to it), and it's basically a local human interest piece by a columnist about local boys who made good. From it we learn the twins were cast as extras in Top Gun after their mom took them to an audition. The twins later went to college and became teachers. Much of the short article is based on interviews with the twins themselves or their mother.
  • The entirety of their 1985 coverage in Vilitis: A Magazine of Folklore and Folk Dance, is a captioned photograph, reading: "This is Aaron and Adam (or is it Adam and Aaron) Weis (Ver Veis? — Yiddish for "who knows?"). Only loving parents could tell them apart. They are the twin sons of Martha and Dennis Weis of San Diego. The photos were taken during the Mother of Twins Christmas Party."[1] Not significant coverage. Nothing to do with their film role. Citing this in an encyclopedia is almost like holding up a receipt found in a garbage bin and declaring it says here "they once ate at Burger King".
  • Facebooks posts and iReport posts do not contribute to WP:GNG.
  • Awards given by 826 Valencia are verifiable, but as primary sources they do not contribute to notability unless multiple secondary independent sources comment on them. There are thousands if not millions of local business awards given around the world every year to decent, hardworking employees, but the vast majority of these don't warrant an encyclopedia article.
  • From Cinema.com.my, the only salient info regarding the twins is "Bradley was played by twins Aaron and Adam Weiss". Not significant coverage, and not info that requires a stand-alone biography.
  • IndieWire does not mention the twins at all, and so cannot contribute to the general notability guideline.
  • Of the three sources listed in External links, one is a syndicated reprint of the San Diego Union-Tribune column, and the other two are film gossip websites that merely piggy-back onto the Union Tribune article, verifying that the twins were in Top Gun, and that they talked to the Union-Tribune about not being in the sequel, and the Union Tribune reported they are teachers. Not significant coverage. --Animalparty! (talk) 03:54, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well... it does not quite make sense to further discuss this in this place, does it? Will you request a deletion? --KnightMove (talk) 07:13, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

References

  1. ^ "(caption)". Viltis. Vol. 44, no. 4. December 1985.

Articles created/expanded on July 30[edit]

Mehmet Şerif Fırat

ALT1... that to a reprint of Mehmet Şerif Fırats book in which he denied the existence of Kurds, the Turkish President Cemal Gürsel wrote a praising foreword in 1961? for in that book he (Mehmet Serif Firat) denied the existence of Kurds ... Turkish President Cemal Gürsel wrote a glowing introduction in the 1961 reissue of Firats History of Varto and the Eastern Provinces.Rebel Land: Unraveling the history in a Turkish townpp.40-41 Christopher de Bellaigue

Created by Paradise Chronicle (talk). Self-nominated at 19:56, 30 July 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing: Green tickY
  • Neutral: Red XN - I think there is potentially a NPOV issue. The article dispassionately documents some of the absurd claims made in Firat's book. However, the uninformed reader has no way of knowing whether these claims are right or wrong. Are there any RS that compare Firat's claims to the academic consensus on Kurdish history? Or discuss why Firat, a person of Kurdish origin would propagate these theories?
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Green tickY
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited: Green tickY - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg I think ALT1 as written is too difficult to understand. ALT0 is fine though (t · c) buidhe 05:43, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks User:Buidhe for the review and comment. And you are right. I forgot that maybe it could be understood that Wikipedia also saw these views as true. Gürsel himself points to the findings of foreign scholars about an existence of Kurds in his foreword. I added some words on Gürsel's views on them and that those scholars contradict his views. Other works I read appear to assume the reader knows Kurds exist etc. He is mainly known for that foreword, similar books exist several, but none with a foreword by an acting Turkish President. But I can follow your NPOV concerns and the original hook is also quite surprising.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 09:30, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List of politicians killed in the American Civil War

Created by Mr.crabby (talk). Self-nominated at 19:30, 30 July 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Sourcing is good, but references for Andrew Upson and Burton Millard are needed. I find ALT1 the most interesting of the set. Otherwise, looks great! Thrakkx (talk) 21:25, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I have added sourcing for Millard and Upson. I don't have a prefernce any sentence. It's been over a decace since I've submitted one of these, so I'll leave it to the experts to decide. Many of the linked biographical pages have accompanying photos if that's something you're interested in adding too. Best. ~~ Mr.crabby

Articles created/expanded on July 31[edit]

Madera Sugar Pine Company

  • ... that a Chinatown in the logging community of Sugar Pine was intentionally burned down by the Madera Sugar Pine Company in 1922? Source: "Sugar Pine's Chinatown had its revenge". The Madera Tribune. August 8, 2017. Retrieved August 3, 2022.
    • ALT1: ... that a Chinatown in the logging community of Sugar Pine was intentionally burned down by the Madera Sugar Pine Company in the aftermath of the Chinese Exclusion Act? Source: "Sugar Pine's Chinatown had its revenge". The Madera Tribune. August 8, 2017. Retrieved August 3, 2022.
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: In researching this article I was surprised to learn that after Chinese immigrants played such a central role in establishing the state's logging industry following the California Gold Rush, they were virtually eliminated from the area by 1922 when the Madera Sugar Pine Company intentionally burned down the Chinatown district in Sugar Pine (Mexican workers were substituted in the following years.) Unlike the Chinese experience in the gold rush, this cruel and unfair circumstance in the lumber industry appears to be much less well known.

Created by Guywelch2000 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:08, 4 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Not a review. I was going to review it, but my review turned into a slight copyedit, and I found enough uncited sections to tag it with {{refimprove}}. Those should be addressed before this nomination is seriously considered. Daniel Case (talk) 03:31, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Thank you for taking the time to go through the page. This is the first time I have contributed so much to a page from scratch and am still getting a feel for where and how frequently to cite. Fortunately, I still have my reference books and notes from my trip to the Sierra this summer, as well as access to the excellent newspaper archive from the University of California. Has the page improved to meet citation standards? Guywelch2000 (talk) 05:40, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 2[edit]

Christy Martin vs. Deirdre Gogarty

Created by AntonioMartin (talk). Self-nominated at 10:05, 28 July 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol possible vote.svg @AntonioMartin:: The article isn't quite long enough yet. The DYK check tool shows only 1131 characters of prose, and it needs a minimum of 1500 to qualify for DYK. Would you be able to expand it accordingly? Cielquiparle (talk) 23:09, 30 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Cierquiparle! Now that I have a night off (sort of as Im writing new articles every two nights, check the one I did yesterday and tell me how you like it, Ivette Rodriguez) I can write a pre-fight and post-fight section,,,considering that after the contest Martin was featured on Sports Illustrated's cover and both have been inducted in halls of fame, I have a lot of material I can put! Thanks and God bless! Antonio the pea on the wall Martin (the talk page) 02:10, 2 August, 2022 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The article contains a lot of text about each contestant, but not about the fight yet. I see that you are still reworking and mayb you are one it already - anyway, this is to be dealt with. --KnightMove (talk) 11:07, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol confirmed.svg Now that's what I call a distringuished expansion! --KnightMove (talk) 10:07, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I will resume a full DYK review now that the article has been expanded. Thanks. Cielquiparle (talk) 15:54, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol possible vote.svg @AntonioMartin: This looks like it's shaping up to be a fairly important article. (Great choice of topic!) However, there is quite a bit more work required before it's ready to be featured in the DYK section of the main page. There are entire sections written now that appear to border on original research (e.g., your interpretation of BoxRec stats). In addition, the extensive use of bare URLs as references is problematic (per WP:BAREURLS). I've suggested one way to quickly format the BoxRec pages using the first example; for other suggestions, see WP:Inline citations, and/or consider using Visual Editor as it's super fast to generate and re-use citations, without having to manually re-enter them every time.
Would you be able to go through the article once more to try to fix these issues? At minimum, each paragraph should have an inline citation. It's especially important to make sure that you're citing sources with care, and that they actually make the points you are making. I noticed that sometimes you were adding details that you either knew from somewhere else or were drawing your own conclusions (e.g. saying "around this time" repeatedly) to try to fill in the narrative with your own words. When in doubt, say less; by saying less you will find that what you do say has more impact. You have more than enough text now, so don't be afraid to make cuts. Cielquiparle (talk) 23:42, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Cielquiparle..thanks for your kind words regarding my updates on the article. TBH, the last few days I have been working hard at the Wiki, with this article as well as creating Salixto Medina and Daniel Guerrero. I am looking forward to 2-3 days of rest but I will read the pages you suggested. I have always been a writer workhorse, never really cared too much in 19 years about policies, but in this case I see the necessity to read those! Thanks and God bless! Antonio the Handsomest Martin (the talk page) 12:14, 4 August, 2022 (UTC)

World Heavyweight Championship (Los Angeles version)

Jim Londos
Jim Londos

Created by 173.162.220.17 (talk). Nominated by Evrik (talk) at 01:29, 10 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Ossian D'Ambrosio

  • ... that Ossian D'Ambrosio regards his involvement in both modern Druidry and heavy metal music as good for his personal balance? Source: La Stampa ("Come Ossian riesca a conciliare tanta oscurità con la sua attività druidica alla festa celtica è presto spiegato. «La donna ha quattro archetipi, l'uomo soltanto due: una parte oscura e una solare, l'inverno e l'estate, lo sciamano e il cacciatore. Quando suono emerge la prima parte, quella più notturna, questo mi permette di stare in equilibrio." [How Ossian manages to reconcile so much darkness with his druidic activity at the Celtic festival is soon explained. 'The woman has four archetypes, the man only two: a dark and a sunny part, winter and summer, the shaman and the hunter. When I play the first part emerges, the more nocturnal one, this allows me to stay in balance.])

Created by Ffranc (talk). Self-nominated at 10:05, 3 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Red XN - Possible issue with the citation on the second hook
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Of the two I think the second hook is the more interesting one, however the source used for that hook (which has only been discussed briefly at RSN is being flagged as having questionable reliability via the User:Headbomb/unreliable script. It appears to be an encyclopedia that is itself citing other sources, but it does appear to be a less-than-stellar source. Would you be able to find a different source that supports this content? That's the only potential issue I can find. Aoidh (talk) 23:01, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Added a supplementary Italian-language source ("...l'autore, che da tempo di occupa di occulto, prima come musicista della seminale band di pagan metal Opera IX, poi come druido e organizzatore del raduno celtico di Beltane." [...the author, who has been involved in the occult for a long time, first as a musician of the seminal pagan metal band Opera IX, later as druid and organizer of the Celtic Beltane gathering.] But I also kept Wrldrels, because I don't see what the problem is, and per WP:RSUE we should prioritise English-language sources. Wrldrels is written and edited by scholars and neutral in content and tone. In the link you posted the criticism consists of guilt by association with Massimo Introvigne and his organisation CESNUR. A quick search gives the indication that Wikipedia's problem with CESNUR has to do with its coverage of Scientology. There was a wave of interest in that on Wikipedia and other parts of the Internet in the late 2000s, and apparently CESNUR wasn't deemed critical enough. Whether that's a fair assessment or not, Wrldrels isn't CESNUR, the article here isn't by Introvigne, and the new religious movement here isn't Scientology. Ffranc (talk) 11:26, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I did a little more digging and it does seem like you're right that the CESNUR link is the issue with World Religions and Spirituality Project, which I was fine with discounting initially but I did more digging and it turns out that one of the two authors of your source is Stefania Palmisano, who it turns out serves on the CESNUR board of directors (the other author is a grad student). Given CESNUR's apparent biases in the area that this source is discussing, I don't think we can use it as a reliable source, especially per WP:SCHOLARSHIP as I could find no evidence of it being reviewed by the wider academic community in any way. Unfortunately the lastampa.it source doesn't say he approached modern paganism because of music, just that he was a musician before he was a druid and organizer. If possible I would suggest finding a more solid source for the second hook, but how about this for a hook:
It's interesting that he does all of those things and might be a good alternative to the hooks above. Do you think you'd be able to find a source for the journalist part that isn't the the WRSP source? - Aoidh (talk) 00:01, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm fine with any of the alts. I removed "journalist" from the article and switched to "writer" in the lead, since he has written two books. The one other source I found for journalism only mentions that he writes for his organisation's publication, so it might be limited to that, and then it's not really worth mentioning.
But I still don't buy that there's any problem with the WRSP. The academic credentials are clearly there, and if there is to be an exception you need to provide something more substantial than guilt by association with CESNUR. Stefania Palmisano is an associate professor at the University of Turin and responsible for various academic publications. WRSP is directed by David G. Bromley, a professor at the Virginia Commonwealth University, which publishes the website. Lots of mainstream scholars are or have been involved in CESNUR in various capacities, because it's a prominent institution within the study of new religious movements. Having a connection to CESNUR doesn't mean that the credibility and reliability of other publications suddenly disappear, as if CESNUR carries some kind of plague that everything else must be kept at a safe distance from. Evidently, that isn't how scholars treat it: neither Palmisano, Bromley nor the Virginia Commonwealth University are treated as suspicious and unreliable. Ffranc (talk) 13:22, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've started a discussion at RSN here since so much of the article is dependent on this source, which does seem to be potentially problematic; I'd like a wider input before moving forward. In the meantime if you're able to find different sources that can be used we could potentially sidestep the whole issue, and three sources have been mentioned to me as potential sources if you wanted to check them out and see if they could possibly be used: [9][10][11] - Aoidh (talk) 02:12, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Given the discussion and journalist part being removed, this is the current proposed hook:
Given the question about the source and since I've proposed a hook I'll ask for a third person to review that hook: Symbol redirect vote 4.svg - Aoidh (talk) 22:46, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 3[edit]

Megan Cornish

Megan Cornish circa 1983
Megan Cornish circa 1983

Created by Mathieulalie (talk). Nominated by Evrik (talk) at 17:02, 4 August 2022 (UTC). FYI - this has been submitted to the GOCE for review. --evrik (talk) 17:03, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Fascinating biography. Article is more than long enough, new enough (nominated within one day of being moved into main space), copyvio unlikely per Earwig. QPQ is done. Several issues that jump out at the moment: 1) The actual text of the hook doesn't actually appear anywhere in the actual article besides the lede, where it doesn't cite a specific source, so this needs to be addressed somehow. (At minimum, cite a source in the lede, and/or expand on the "one of the first" claim within the article body, citing a specific source.) 2) The source cited above (within the DYK nomination) is a YouTube interview with the subject, so it's a primary source, although the text within the YouTube video description by the Seattle Civil Rights and Labor History Project does say she "subsequently became one of the first female electrical utility workers anywhere in the United States." It would be preferable if this citation were clearer (that you are citing the Seattle Civil Rights and Labor History Project rather than Megan Cornish herself, perhaps by pointing to their web site or including the relevant text within the footnote or endnote); even better if there are additional secondary sources to back up the claim. 3) There are several paragraphs within the article that end with no citations. Perhaps the implication is that the relevant source is contained within the subsequent paragraph, but this is Wikipedia and the risk is high that text will get moved around in unexpected ways, and it would be better to have a footnote at the end of every paragraph, rather than leaving it looking like uncited content. 4) In general, the article relies heavily on primary sources (video interviews with the subject herself). I would strongly advise taking another pass through the article and trying to see where you can work in more content (facts and/or analysis) from secondary sources to balance it out, as this is likely to raise flags. It may also make it easier to trim the article a bit and make it sound a bit more encyclopedic. A few adjustments along these lines could make a big difference. Cielquiparle (talk) 02:30, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 4[edit]

Treat Me

Created by VersaceSpace (talk). Self-nominated at 17:03, 5 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol question.svg @VersaceSpace: New enough and long enough. QPQ present. No copyvio. But I've got an issue—I watched the video to confirm, and that's definitely a leopard. (I spent years watching Big Cat Diary and used to have a cheetah fursona... I know my spots.) That's the sort of thing that makes me question the already flimsy-looking YR Media cite source. Can you please find one that can get its big cats straight? Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:42, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Agree with Sammi Brie - the hook is clearly untrue. That isn't a cheetah, which suggests that the cited source is not reliable. Not appropriate to put clearly untrue hooks into DYK. OwainDavies (about)(talk) edited at 11:48, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've struck the original hook owing to factuality concerns. In the meantime here's some alternate hooks:
ALT1 ... that Chloe Bailey wrote her song "Treat Me" while exiting a relationship?
ALT2 ... that to promote her song "Treat Me", Chloe Bailey released a teaser video depicting her wearing a bodysuit with crystals?
Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:35, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Courtesy ping VersaceSpace Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:08, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Curriculum for Wales (2022–present)

Created by Llewee (talk). Self-nominated at 00:35, 7 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 5[edit]

Vincent Ialenti

Ialenti in 2021
Ialenti in 2021

Created by Thriley (talk), Lemoncat1234 (talk), and 47.208.153.110 (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 19:43, 14 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Wang Henei

  • ... that French born sculptor Wang Henei (née Renée June-Nikel) became the first naturalized citizen of the People's Republic of China in 1955? Source: "他继续创作人民英雄纪念碑浮雕，王合内也成了1955年第一批加入中国籍的外国人。" [He continued to create reliefs on the Monument to the People's Heroes, and Wang Henei became the first foreigner to become Chinese in 1955.] from "他漂洋过海娶异国妻子 相伴60年死前终得最后一吻" [He traveled across the ocean to marry a foreign wife, accompany him for 60 years, and finally got the last kiss before he died] (https:163.com/zajia/article/CG4MMCL3000181TJ.html)
    • Reviewed:

Created by Toodles The Grey (talk). Self-nominated at 21:53, 5 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  •  Comment: Reference 1 and 3 are user-generated contents. (Note: this is not a review.) ——🦝 Raccoozzy (talk・contribs) 02:45, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The hook would need to be reworded. “他继续创作人民英雄纪念碑浮雕，王合内也成了1955年第一批加入中国籍的外国人。”, in which the 第一批 means "the first batch/group of". The whole sentence should be translated as [He continued to create reliefs on the Monument to the People's Heroes, and Wang Henei became one of the first foreigners to become Chinese citizens in 1955.]——🦝 Raccoozzy (talk・contribs) 03:14, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nuffield Press

5x expanded by Owain.davies (talk). Self-nominated at 13:53, 5 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 6[edit]

Patrick Degorce

  • ... that Patrick Degorce was Rishi Sunak's boss at successive hedge funds, before Sunak entered politics? Source: "There were two hedge fund managers who made a bundle out of the rise and fall - Chris Hohn and Patrick Degorce. I mention them because the new Chancellor, Rishi Sunak, worked with and for both of them." ITV News
    • ALT1: ... that Patrick Degorce was an officer in the French Navy before becoming a hedge fund manager? Source: "Patrick Degorce served as an officer in the French Navy in his twenties, before making an unorthodox leap into the financial services sector." City AM
    • ALT2: ... that hedge fund manager Patrick Degorce was an early investor in Moderna, hoping they could find a cure for his wife's stage 4 lung cancer? Source: "The first time hedge-fund manager Patrick Degorce met with biotech company Moderna Inc., it was a hail-Mary effort to find a cure for his wife." WSJ
    • Reviewed: Pinwill sisters

Created by Edwardx (talk). Self-nominated at 22:51, 13 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

In Win Development

Created by DigitalIceAge (talk). Self-nominated at 23:50, 6 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - n
  • Other problems: Red XN - This isn't interesting - it is largely promotional, and not even recent
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol delete vote.svg This article seems largely promotional, and the hook isn't interesting OwainDavies (about)(talk) edited at 09:40, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Let's wait for the AFD to conclude before failing this nom. Can you please point out the promotional content in the article? I have tried hard to balance all viewpoints on the company and their products (especially in the Reception section) and have tried to not leave out any negative aspects wrt their fiscal performance. DigitalIceAge (talk) 16:31, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • While I agree with not approving the nom, I don't agree with simply failing it, either. Clearly, this is a case of "more work needed". Personally, I feel like the company & the article both seem pretty boring: For example, there's a ton of info about the historical size of the office space, which I don't see why it would be helpful for any reader. Same with days needed to produce something, or whatever that is supposed to say. The article could be trimmed down a lot, and that might help with the feeling of it being "off". It doesn't have the usual issues with tone – none of the usual advertisement words like "great", "biggest" and so forth, just lots of technical details.
I do find ALT0 to be moderately interesting, while ALT1 is again rather technical. As a side note: I personally prefer if company names aren't shown directly on the front page, so e.g. a company (piped) instead of In Win Development; but this is just my opinion and by no means a DYK rule. --LordPeterII (talk) 13:14, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi, @LordPeterII:, thank you for the in-depth review and criticism (and sorry for this late reply). I've restructured the article, including moving the manufacturing information to its own section, to make the article less of a slog to read. However, I'm not sure what to do about the boring nitty-gritty. I really don't think there's any information to leave out, as I consider the details of manufacturing encyclopedic in demystifying what it takes to manufacture a standard PC case. Perhaps some of it could go to Computer case, but I don't know how applicable the information is to other players in the industry. DigitalIceAge (talk) 21:35, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@DigitalIceAge: It looks a bit better after the restructuring. I can follow your reasoning about whether or not to move some technical stuff to computer case, and I'm not sure either. Let's first wait for the AfD to close, but then I think a fresh reviewer might be best, who may see things different yet than myself or Owain.davies. --LordPeterII (talk) 10:40, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@LordPeterII: The AFD closed as keep so the nomination can now proceed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:10, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thanks, but I actually think I won't review for once, because I'd like another viewpoint on the present content. So, someone else take over please. --LordPeterII (talk) 17:48, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 7[edit]

Operation Tariq al-Qods

5x expanded by Mhhossein (talk). Self-nominated at 19:06, 14 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Institutes of Gaius

Converted from a redirect by WatkynBassett (talk). Self-nominated at 05:57, 14 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Hamim Tohari

Created by Jeromi Mikhael (talk). Self-nominated at 17:11, 7 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Comment: Jeromi Mikhael, a QPQ is supposed to be provided within a week of nominating at DYK. If it is not provided in the next seven days, the nomination may be closed. Please supply a QPQ before then. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:22, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that QPQ has been provided. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:35, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 8[edit]

Mary Metlay Kaufman

Mary M. Kaufman preparing for a session of the Nuremberg Trials.
Mary M. Kaufman preparing for a session of the Nuremberg Trials.

Created by Shockofsputnik (talk). Nominated by Paul2520 (talk) at 19:55, 15 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Carl C. Turner

alt1 doesnt mention everything but does, I think, include the hooky bit. Victuallers (talk) 16:18, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Reviewed:

Created by Mztourist (talk). Self-nominated at 04:58, 9 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Spectrum (physical sciences)

  • ... that in physical sciences, Isaac Newton adopted the term "spectrum"? Source: Newton, Isaac (1671). "A letter of Mr. Isaac Newton ... containing his new theory about light and colours ...". https:royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rstl.1671.0072 Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London. 6 (80): 3075–3087. Bibcode:1671RSPT....6.3075N. doi:10.1098/rstl.1671.0072. The word "spectrum" to describe a band of colors that has been produced, by refraction or diffraction, from a beam of light first appears on p. 3076.

Created by Fgnievinski (talk). Nominated by Helloheart (talk) at 23:20, 8 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Please first have reliable references ready for this article. At present, there are many paragraphs without citation, which makes the article not eligible. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:48, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol delete vote.svg Hi there, Helloheart! Unfortunately, this article fails to qualify for DYK under WP:DYK#gen1a, which says that new articlesmay not consist of text spun off from a pre-existing article. Unless the article can be 5x expanded, it's probably best to close this nomination. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 19:48, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 9[edit]

Divertimento (Bernstein)

Bernstein in 1977
Bernstein in 1977

Created by Ron Oliver (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 11:08, 16 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Tornado Cash

Created by Thriley (talk) and PabloCastellano (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 18:30, 13 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article is currently at 1360 characters readable prose (it needs 1500), and it has a citation needed tag. @Thriley and PabloCastellano: This must be addressed first. Hook looks interesting, but ping me when the other issues are fixed. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 16:52, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Frabjous Days: The Secret World of Godley & Creme 1967–1969

Created by DigitalIceAge (talk). Self-nominated at 04:24, 13 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Liberia–United Kingdom relations

Created by RoundSquare (talk). Self-nominated at 05:44, 11 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Drive-by comment (this is not a full review). Is it really accurate to just leave this as "Liberian territory"? According to the source, Liberia was "deeded" the territory in the 1850s, but never exercised control there (p. 141). The cited page (p. 22) calls it "disputed territory" and clarifies that it is "Liberian claims" that the UK demanded were dropped. Calling it "Liberian territory" without qualification doesn't seem to accord with the source. Maybe something like "... that neighboring British Sierra Leone and Liberia disputed over their border, and the British Empire seized the disputed territory in 1885?" SnowFire (talk) 03:14, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 10[edit]

The Exposé

Created by Isi96 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:37, 11 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Article is long enough, has adequate sourcing, and the hook is verifiable. However, the article has a bit too much close paraphrasingfor my liking. I also think that this article's hook could be better to be something like this:

    • :@Spodle I updated the first hook to your suggestion and made some changes to the content of the article. Hope it's better now. Isi96 (talk) 14:50, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Current nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on August 11[edit]

Battle of Omagh

Created by Fingoal (talk). Nominated by Gaois (talk) at 00:28, 16 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Comment: It's a catchy hook, but it'd need some kind of inline attribution. I opposed the first hook you mentioned, but the second is clearly a nickname, and the third is verifiable. How about: theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 19:50, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hamad al-Hajji

  • ... that Saudi Arabian poet Hamad al-Hajji lost three members of his family at childhood and later suffered from schizophrenia until he died at the age of 49 after a lung disease? Source: Hamad al-Hajji#Sources
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    • Comment: There is some hooks in this poet life, i chose his early years and medical condition+death. Most biographers - not psychiatrists - of Al-Hajji related his schizophrenia to his childhood issues. He lost three members of his family when he was under 10; His widower father carelessness; Growed up by his older sister then moved to Riyadh at the age of 13, as a college student he saw no encouragement for his literary creativity, until he died at the age of 49 after a lung disease in a Psychiatric care center.

Some new sources have been written about him that I do not have access to them: Hamad al-Hajji#Further reading. "The story of Hamad Al-Hajji; new medical reading" wrote by two specialist physician who have examined his disease in a more scientific way. But based on current article sources, i guess we can find some hooks. Created by Ruwaym (talk). Self-nominated at 17:01, 13 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 12[edit]

Theodore Silverstein

Created by SnowFire (talk). Self-nominated at 01:04, 18 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Zodiac Suite

Moved to mainspace by Vladimir.copic (talk). Self-nominated at 23:19, 14 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Symbol question.svg Interesting music on fine sources, no copyvio obvious. I prefer the original hook, especially as mentioning the composer's name. I'd prefer an image to show her, and the period. This piece was a first fusion music, but the hook doesn't even mention jazz, - could we? Perhaps say "improvised" instead of "composed"? What do you think about an infobox? I bet there are categories about artworks related to the Zodiac. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:22, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Narender Thapa

Created by Ktin (talk). Self-nominated at 17:43, 12 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Barry Downs (architect)

Created by Ktin (talk). Self-nominated at 17:40, 12 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

T. Mohandas Pai

Created by Ktin (talk). Self-nominated at 17:35, 12 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi Ktin, review follows: article created 6 AUgust and exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline throughout to what look to be reliable sources for the material cited; I didn't pick up on any overly close paraphrasing from the sources; hook fact is interesting enough for me, mentioned in the article and checks our to source cited. Just awaiting a QPQ and this will be good to go - Dumelow (talk) 18:03, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ktin and Dumelow: Note that it's been over seven days since the nomination and a QPQ has not yet been done. Per a recent rule change, a DYK may be closed as unsuccessful if a QPQ is not provided within seven days of a nomination and a reminder to the nominator. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:12, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 13[edit]

Lucy de László

Lucy de László by Philip de László
Lucy de László by Philip de László

Created by Willthacheerleader18 (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 11:00, 14 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - ?
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.

QPQ: Red XN - pending
Overall: Symbol question.svg Article is looking good, but there are some minor issues. Will go into detail below. --LordPeterII (talk) 12:07, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Willthacheerleader18: Issues I have:

  • This part "Guinness was granted permission to marry him, and the two wed in 1900. Her husband, who was raised Jewish and converted to Catholicism, converted to Anglicanism in order to marry her" still needs to have an inline reference.
  • We need a (pictured) in the hook following her name.
  • The hook is not very interesting as written, and more importantly not really about her, but her husband. It's nice that he painted her, but what do we learn about Lucy de László? Barely anything. I'd suggest rephrasing that so it puts more emphasis on her life. Like that they met while studying (so we learn that she studied and wasn't just married off), was of nobility while he wasn't, or that he did not only paint her, but also the Austrian emperor and the pope before being allowed to marry her? I'll think about how to write that, but maybe you can also come up with something.
  • I've also found this book which goes into some detail on their later life, when she apparently had some international correspondence, their family was questioned, and also she lost her nationality on marriage (?). You can probably decide better what would fit into the article, but I think there's some interesting things in there. From what I could find the publisher seems reliable. (On the husband alone, the Guardian also reports here.)

I agree on the picture btw, it looks splendid. --LordPeterII (talk) 12:24, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(I just realized this was nominated by @Victuallers, not the author, so pinging again.) --LordPeterII (talk) 12:33, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Peter, that hook is what interested me about her as without this fact/picture she is mostly "daughter of" and "wife of". Maybe your new source reveals more. There are models who have their own articles and I'm intrigued that she they took any notice of being told not to marry - I don't think thats just about him. Is there any point in putting (pictured) after a hook that says this picture? I'm off on holiday so please assume this nomination is withdrawn unless someone else wants to offer a hook and QPQ. Thanks. Victuallers (talk) 16:13, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Victuallers: Indeed, wife and daughter alone are not what we should focus on. I missed the this painting part. Let me try to come up with a slightly different hook then:
  • ALT1 ... that Lucy de László was painted (painting shown) by her husband whom she met while studying, who wasn't allowed to marry her until after he had painted the Austrian emperor and the pope?
It's worded a bit cheeky, as of course painting these exact people wasn't the requirement, but he nevertheless was only permitted afterwards since it meant he was famous/respected.
As for withdrawing, I'd be saddened (although I understand and wish you nice holidays). Maybe @Willthacheerleader18 you are interested in pitching in as the author? --LordPeterII (talk) 06:47, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Victuallers, the hook you proposed would have run afoul of WP:DYKSG#C9,No parentheses in the hook unless absolutely unavoidable. The (pictured) (or equivalent) for the image slot is an exception., so some rewording was inevitable. Might I suggest ALT1a as addressing some other issues, though a QPQ does have to be provided by someone:
  • ALT1a ... that Lucy de László was painted (portrait shown) by her husband, whom she met while studying, but they were not allowed to marry until after he had painted the Austrian emperor and the pope?
However, if the hook is to run as is, a source will have to be found that places the portrait of Pope Leo XIII before the wedding occurred—all we have is the date, 1900, for both. If that can't be found, "and the pope" will have to be deleted. Indeed, the year of their marriage is unsourced at present, and would need to be so for the hook to run at all. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:20, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@BlueMoonset: Good catch, I was under the impression there was a connection based on the prose currently in the article. However, you are right, this was only inferred by me and is not in the sources. Indeed, I have found this, which gives several details needed, also correcting the children to five (btw, their number in the husband's article is currently sourced to a picture?!). I don't have time for this right now, but may return later for some adjustments. And yeah we need a different hook, because the permission to marry apparently dates to 1898. --LordPeterII (talk) 15:34, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tom Alberg

5x expanded by Ktin (talk). Self-nominated at 05:55, 13 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Quick review @Ktin: Unfortunately, the article has not been expanded fivefold. DYKcheck reports 696 words (4194 chars) currently, compared to 176 (1070 chars) [on 7 August], which is almost 4x, but not 5x. Alas, the article would need to be expanded quite a bit more to meet the criteria. If there's more to add, it might be doable; otherwise there's always GA.
But for now, Symbol delete vote.svg. --LordPeterII (talk) 18:30, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @LordPeterII: - thanks for this catch. I had gotten my math incorrectly. Please see now. Should be at 5x. Thanks again. Ktin (talk) 16:46, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Red XN - needs an inline ref directly at the end of the sentence
  • Interesting: Green tickY

QPQ: Red XN - pending
Overall: Symbol question.svg The technical issue solved, DYKcheck now only reports the "in the news" appearance, which isn't an issue since it was under recent deaths, not the main news. But qKtin you still need to provide a QPQ. I'm also a little skeptical about this sentence: "... helping the firm focus on the technology led innovation coming out of the region" – this may not be intentional, but "technology led innovation" reads a bit like marketing talk. The rest of the article is better in comparison. Please also put an inline ref in the article directly at the sentence from the hook. --LordPeterII (talk) 17:42, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Thanks much. Acknowledging both the requests. Will have them addressed and will share an update. Ktin (talk) 15:05, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 14[edit]

Emma Dean Powell

Major John Wesley Powell's boat the "Emma Dean", Grand Canyon National Park, Arizona. 1871 (approx).
Major John Wesley Powell's boat the "Emma Dean", Grand Canyon National Park, Arizona. 1871 (approx).

Created by JamieF (talk). Self-nominated at 20:17, 14 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]


Henry Grady Hotel

5x expanded by JJonahJackalope (talk). Self-nominated at 18:51, 14 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Sa'd ibn Junaydil

  • ... that Saudi Arabian historian Sa'd ibn Junaydil when appointed as teacher in Dawadmi he had not obtained a high school diploma, and he took graduation exams with his students? Source: Web sourceAl-Assaf, Mansur (8 December 2017). "سعد الجنيدل.. عالم البلدانيات والمؤرخ الموسوعي". alriyadh (in Arabic). Archived from the original on 13 August 2022. Retrieved 13 August 2022. which stated that originally fromAl-Masradi, Masʻud ibn Fahd (2014). Sa‘d al-Junaydil ‘āliyat Najd wa-Najd al-‘āliyah سعد الجنيدل .. عالية نجد ونجد العالية (in Arabic) (first ed.). Beirut, Lebanon: Jadawel. ISBN 9786144181614.
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: Feel free to copyediting.

Created by Ruwaym (talk). Self-nominated at 18:41, 14 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Lukáš Vondráček

Created by Zingarese (talk). Self-nominated at 14:29, 14 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Symbol question.svg Interesting life, on fine sources, no copyvio obvious. I like the original hook better, but would add a year, and drop "in the competion's history" as redundant. Would you agree? Then please rephrase. Please fix error messages in the refs. I'd prefer no refs in the lead (but in the body instead), the Rachmaninoff mentioned before the quote about it, and the long clause in brackets at the end opened, but that's your choice. I'd give him an infobox, but also up to you. We need a qpq. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:49, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Leafpad

5x expanded by Aoidh (talk). Self-nominated at 10:45, 14 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Aw – I have a soft spot for Leafpad from my days of tinkering with a Raspberry Pi. Hooks are sourced, neutral, and of appropriate length, but ALT1 is not included in the article. It needs to be added in order to be used as a hook. ALT1 is also the more interesting option here. As for the article itself, it appears to be well-sourced and neutral, and meets DYK-relevant policies including avoidance of plagiarism. Just need to put ALT1 in the prose and we're good to go, I think! Symbol question.svg ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 04:18, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oops, ping Aoidh ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 04:19, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Aoidh: Was thinking of reviewing this, but too slow. One comment I had was to consider moving and is similar in visuals and functionality to the Microsoft Windows program Notepad into the lede, as that will give readers a quick understanding of what Leafpad is like. As for ALT1, "i386" isn't really a reference to that specific old architecture but rather is a Debian packaging indicator-of-architecture. Better to say "Intel x86" or "IA-32" or something like that. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:28, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ezlev and Wasted Time R: I added the install size into the prose and the Notepad comparison into the lede. Sorry I'm still on the newer end of doing DYK and thought the install size being included in the infobox counted, but it absolutely makes sense that it should be in the article itself in prose form. Hopefully these changes work. I did add Debian to the hook as that is specifically the install size on Debian; on Arch Linux for example it's only 301kB. I've also provided two possible alternate hooks below:
I do kind of like the Arch Linux one better, and I do think the small install size is interesting, but given the comment below I am of course open to a different suggeston. Aoidh (talk) 11:17, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


  • Just my 2 cents: could a more interesting hook be proposed, so that people who aren't already deeply familiar with Leafpad might be enticed to read the article if it appears on the main page? A hook should, well, "hook" readers, not simply state mundane facts. Hooks should appeal to a broad audience, like it says above. Both hooks make me want to ignore the article entirely. --Animalparty! (talk) 05:44, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • If you have a suggestion I'm happy to hear it. - Aoidh (talk) 08:50, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]