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August 15[edit]

Daryl McCormack, actor[edit]

His birthday is wrong in Wiki. You have it as Dec 20 1992. It is really Jan 22, 1993. He is currently 29. The following is an interview where he states this. He has said it in other interviews too. 2601:42:C102:ABD0:0:0:0:B663 (talk) 02:12, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for finding the error! I removed the incorrect and unsourced birthday (Dec 20) and left it blank for now. Would you like to edit the article to add the correct birthday? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:17, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I went ahead and added it. Thanks again! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:00, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Regarding protected pages[edit]

I would like to edit a protected page which provides wrong information. How can I do it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dheeraj L D (talkcontribs) 04:34, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Dheeraj L D: Assuming that the page in question is semiprotected, you just need to make one more edit to get autoconfirmed user rights. Be sure to have a reliable source handy. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:39, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Dheeraj L D You added additional info just before a pre-existing citation. Does that citation also support your added text? If not, you need to move your text and add your citation.
Wait ... another editor @Wasell has reverted it. Thanks. (talk) 09:32, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Article wikiprojects?[edit]

I created an article (Katherine Deves) and would like to register it for Wikiproject Australia and Wikiproject Politics. Do I just add the template, or is there a specific way of doing so? JML1148 (talk) 08:40, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@JML1148: According to Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/Assessment § Frequently asked questions and Wikipedia:WikiProject Politics/Assessment § Frequently asked questions, respectively, you can just add the templates. Rummskartoffel 10:37, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for your response! JML1148 (talk) 11:21, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Donald Machholz Death Location[edit]

My husband’s page has the incorrect death location.

I am Michele Machholz, spouse of Donald Machholz, astronomer and visual comet discoverer.

He died at our home in Wikieup, Arizona.

Please help correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Washedlikeadish (talkcontribs) 13:04, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Washedlikeadish I am sorry for your loss. Please understand we cannot just take your word for it; this information must be published in a reliable source such as a news report or independently written obituary. Please direct concerns about that article to its talk page, Talk:Donald Machholz. 331dot (talk) 13:09, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Undisclosed paid tag.[edit]

Hi! I've noticed that a user has tagged an article that i have spent alot of time building, editing, and sourcing with an Undisclosed paid tag, I cannot speak for other contributors to the article but I myself have not been paid, I dont even have a COI, I just am passionate about the topic... I don't know what to do, I am fairly new so I am not sure what the procedures would be to get this resolved. do I have any recourse? is there anyway to prove that I'm not a paid editor? I don't think that me just saying "trust me bro! I have no COI" really accomplishes anything, nor does me just deleting the tag. is this just the end of the line for me editing that article? Seigerman (talk) 14:26, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Seigerman If you have no paid editing relationship with the subject, just discuss that on the article talk page and explain that you aren't paid and have no COI. You can also ask the person who added the tag directly to see if it was added with regards to your edits. How did you come to edit about Mr. Krane? 331dot (talk) 14:29, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Getting around post-expand include size limit using excerpt template with section begin/end labels?[edit]

I have hit the post-expand include size limit on a list article.

I am trying to use the excerpt template to get around this. which seems like a great solution as it would eliminate some duplicative articles. The only way I can see to get the right content is by using <section begin> and <section end>.

But I can't get this to work. It transcludes perfectly using #section but not with the excerpt template. Can someone take a look at ?

Thanks. Peacedance (talk) 16:09, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You need to pass |subsections=yes to {{excerpt}}. Also, as a general rule, doing things with excerpts will make the post-expand include size worse rather than better. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:01, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have been trying to convert the page from a mix of some wikitables and some Lua Module:Episode table/lists to all episode list. Is my only option if want to do this to split the article?
Also should the table be using the Lua invoke:Episode table/list directly, as it currently is, or should it be using the Episode table/list templates?
Thanks. Peacedance (talk) 13:12, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Using the module directly has a lower post-expand include size than using the template, although the later is preferred by custom when post-expand include size is not an issue. I've brought the post-expand include size down on List of The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson episodes with Special:Diff/1104713086, so the current approach can be made to work (as, probably, can using episode list/table templates fully), although adding more layers of templates (by transcluding every year from the corresponding year page) will likely cause it to break again.
Consider this: what is the purpose of separate articles like List of The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson episodes (2005)?. Why not redirect it and its brethren to List of The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson episodes#2005? * Pppery * it has begun... 13:51, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Submitting Content[edit]

Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Draft:Sarah Cothran
Hi! So, I'm super new to Wikipedia so I am worried that I maybe submitted my article incorrectly. I am trying to get a page up about a music artist that my company manages, so I don't think that necessarily counts as an article with secondary sources, it's more of a bio. Would you mind pointing me in the right direction so I can get this up ASAP? Thank you! Ecfam (talk) 16:40, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Ecfam, Wikipedia does not host bios - it hosts articles with secondary sources. You'd be better off using social media or your own website. (talk) 16:58, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, Ecfam. Judging from your question it looks as if, like many people, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is, as you appear to be intending to use if for Promotion. Promotion (which is interpreted more widely than in normal use) is forbidden anywhere in Wikipedia. If your client meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability (and not otherwise), there could be an article about them. Irrespective of who writes the article, it will not belong to you or your client, it will not be controlled by you or your client, it may be edited by almost anybody in the world except your or your client (you can make edit requests on it, but should not edit it directly), it will not necessarily contain material that you or your client approve of, and it should be based almost entirely on what people wholly unconnected with your or your client have chosen to publish about them, not on what you or your client say or want to say.
If, given this, you decide to continue with the (much harder than it looks) task of writing an encyclopaedia article about your client, and you can find the necessary sources that are substantial, reliably published, and wholly unconnected with your or your client, then you may try. You must first make a formal declaration of your status as a paid editor, and then you should study your first article, and use the articles for creation process to make a draft. ColinFine (talk) 18:05, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ecfam, my search uncovered no evidence that Sarah Cothran is a notable musical performer at this time. What is required is significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the performer and your company. All I see is the usual array of social media and music sharing sites, and one or two pieces that are obviously the direct result of promotional activity. Cullen328 (talk) 18:41, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How do I get a page un-deleted?[edit]

Hi there! A client of mine had their personal bio page deleted, and we have no idea why. The page has existed for years and is regularly updated. How do we get this page reinstated? Thank you! -Andrea Andreahrizk (talk) 17:59, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Andreahrizk. The first thing that you should do is comply with the mandatory Paid contributions disclosure. If you give us the name of the deleted article, then an administrator can look into the circumstances, and see whether it might be restored as a draft. Articles deleted due to copyright violations or other legal issues will not be restored. Wikipedia:Deletion review is the formal procedure. But complete the disclosure first. Cullen328 (talk) 18:24, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Andreahrizk, if this is about Wes Moss, then please read Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wes Moss (2nd nomination). That was an unreferenced biography of a living person, and that is a policy violation. The deleted article failed to make the case that this person is a Notable person by Wikipedia's standards. Cullen328 (talk) 18:29, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, Andreahrizk. A more accurate statement of what you said would be that a Wikipedia administrator applied Wikipedia's policies and processes and decided to delete Wikipedia's article about your client. It was never "their personal bio page". As others have said, it is possible that it could be undeleted, but only if it can be shown that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. ColinFine (talk) 18:38, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My talk page[edit]

Hi, there appears to be a problem when I use the [reply] feature on my own user talk page but I can't seem to find the problem.

Whenever I click the Reply button on the bottom right of my screen, the red box with the text "Your comment could not be published to the most recent version of the page. To see the latest changes, copy your drafted comment and then use your browser to reload the page." comes up. Hopefully someone knows this problem and can be rectified so I can use the [reply] feature on my user talk page properly. Thanks, Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 18:38, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You have an unclosed table at the top of User:Iggy the Swan/TPHeader. Is that deliberate (intending to indent the entire content of the page somewhat), or is it accidental? Removing it should fix the problem. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I can't seem to find the unclosed table when checking the code properly. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 18:54, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've spotted the problem and fixed it, I've also done a test [reply] and that worked. Thanks for at least finding which page the problem was located. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 19:36, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reporting inappropriate remarks[edit]

How do I report a comment on a Talk page for racist comments? CFLeon (talk) 19:37, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WP:AIV for really obvious stuff, or WP:ANI of it needs much explaining. Girth Summit (blether) 19:40, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


help (talk) 21:20, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

With? We can't read your mind. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 21:23, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How to email or text Mrs Cheney[edit]

e-mail or text for Liz Cheney 2600:1700:FD0:2220:4A8:315C:C9B5:3B3B (talk) 23:51, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.5 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:54, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We also cannot and will not provide contact information for someone. Any such information would be suppressed due to the risk it would lead to harassment, and in this case given Cheney's status as a pariah within her own party we have a moral obligation to not subject her to the resultant toxicity. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 01:19, 16 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]
That is not correct, Jéské Couriano. Liz Cheney, like the articles for most serving members of Congress, includes external links to her website twice, once in the infobox and once in the external links section at the end of the article. Her website allows people to email her, although many members of Congress only respond to emails from people who state that they reside in the member's Congressional district. Cullen328 (talk) 05:21, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Linking to her website isn't equivalent to directly providing contact information. Her website isn't personally-identifying information; phone/fax numbers and email addresses are. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 06:26, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 16[edit]

TransactionError message[edit]

Hi, I was doing some language weeding in the History of Norway article, but on clicking Publish, "[fc420699-0169-40eb-9df3-1fe1ccf8a160] 2022-08-16 04:20:52: Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBTransactionError"" appeared. I spent a long, perhaps too long time writing - does the edit function time out, e.g. after, say, one hour, or something? Any tips appreciated. T (talk) 04:28, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Database error mentions a current issue. Just try again. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:27, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, the edit function does not time out, as far as I know, and this is a database transaction error, it may mean the Wikimedia database servers were down or overloaded at the time you submitted your edit. Wikimedia servers, especially the database servers, are very busy, because they have to handle millions of requests, so you may receive server errors sometimes, however this does not happen often. WPEditor42 (talk) 13:09, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Expand diffs[edit]

Hi all. I use User:Bradv/Scripts/ExpandDiffs to allow me to look at diffs from within someone's contributions, or from the recent changes feed. It's really handy, but it doesn't work on my watchlist; does anyone know of a script that would allow the same sort of functionality there? Girth Summit (blether) 08:21, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Girth Summit If you activate navigation popups in your preferences (gadgets) that's one of the things that it does when you hover the cursor over the word "diff" in the watchlist. It's really useful in a number of other aspects, so I would recommend it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:10, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, but I've tried that and I find the pop-up style really distracting and annoying. Bradv's script gives you a little triangle next to all the bullet points when looking at a list of contributions; if you click on the triangle, it expands and shows you the diff below. It works everywhere I'd like it to, except in my watchlist. Girth Summit (blether) 10:15, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Girth Summit: You can try User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/commonHistory. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:41, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks PrimeHunter, that is a bit more like what I was hoping for. I'm not sure I'm going to get used to the big green button - Bradv's version has a tiny, unobtrusive button right next to the bullet point, which you would miss if you weren't looking for it - but it has the functionality I was looking for. Cheers Girth Summit (blether) 16:31, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Girth Summit: I don't know why Bradv omitted the watchlist from User:Bradv/Scripts/ExpandDiffs but you could add it by copying the script and adding this line after line 4:
|| mw.config.get('wgCanonicalSpecialPageName')=='Watchlist'
The button overlaps the bullet point for me but it appears to work. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:42, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah now, hang on - I've never created a script. Is it as simple as creating User:Girth Summit/Scripts/ExpandDiffs, copying the stuff over from Bradv's script (with attribution, naturally), and then making the change you suggest? I'll try that, if you're confident that it won't break the internet. Girth Summit (blether) 17:48, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Girth Summit: That's it. It won't even break Wikipedia or your account. But if something breaks Bradv's script and he makes a fix then your own version will still be broken. You can give it any name, e.g. User:Girth Summit/ExpandDiffs if you don't plan on making a lot of scripts. Or copy the whole code directly into your common JavaScript but I certainly don't recommend that. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:23, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the tips - I will experiment (but will avoid copying anything directly into my JavaScript because I will definitely screw that up!) Girth Summit (blether) 18:26, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Different Coordinates[edit]

I had created an article about a village named Mothparja and it is now a start class geography article. But the problem is that it's coordinates at Wikipedia,Wikivoyage,Wikidata and Openstreetmap are different from one an other and all these in actual are different from coordinates of Maps. So please help me to fix all these coordinates and making them as same as that of Maps.FAAHS (talk) 10:11, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

FAAHS I've tried to understand the documentation at {{coord}} to see what the problem might be. This led me to think that using {{WikidataCoord}} for the article might be better, as it takes its information from Wikidata. I previewed that option in the infobox of the article and it seemed to work. The documentation explains that the underlying presentation of data uses mw:GeoHack. I don't know how to decide which of the many values you mention are correct but it seems to me that Wikidata is the best place to edit in that value. The page is here on Wikidata. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:47, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Doug Mastranio[edit]


Do you label a democrat as FAR Left, Drop the garbage wording used in your description blow.

Douglas Vincent Mastriano is an American far-right politician from Pennsylvania. He is a retired United States Army colonel and is the state senator representing the 33rd district. A Republican, he is the party's nominee for Pennsylvania governor in the 2022 election. (talk) 11:42, 16 August 2022 (UTC) [Note: The above text is from the lead section of Doug Mastriano. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:59, 17 August 2022 (UTC)]Reply[reply]

There are no staff here, only volunteers. Wikipedia retains a neutral point of view and cites the sources it uses for article text. In this case, references #2,3 and 4 all use the term "far right" in their title. And we have a full article on Far-left politics. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:11, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(edit conflict) Wikipedia reports on what has been written about a subject in reliable sources. There are four sources immediately after the statement referred to, three of which describe the subject as 'far right' in the title of the source alone. 'Far left' is not as common a term but would be used where applicable if sources supported it. If you disagree with what the sources say, the problem lies with them, not Wikipedia. Eagleash (talk) 12:13, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If Sen. Mastriano does not want to be described as far right, he should adopt policies and views to cause sources to not describe him that way. 331dot (talk) 18:08, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The idea that most anyone in American politics is "far left" is hilarious. The rest of the world would like to have a word. PRAXIDICAE🌈 18:08, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
AOC would be viewed as to the left of Center in *some* of Scandanavia, but not *that* far left of Center. Naraht (talk) 19:27, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That said, the United States does have far-left politicians on the fringes. These would include communists and anarchists. The far-right ones (including fascists and consipiracy theorists) are the ones who are most vocal and get the most press at the moment, though. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:56, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Can I report outside activity of a Wikipedia editor?[edit]

Let's say that an admin or a user posted something inappropriate outside of Wikipedia (e.g. attacking IPs while removing vandalism, threatening Wikipedia, etc.), should I report it? Because some users had another account with the same username as their Wikipedia accounts. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 17:33, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

SpinnerLaserzthe2nd you first need to read WP:DOXXING. You must not publicly make a connection between a Wikipedia account and a person in the real world, or an account on another platform, unless the person has made the connection themselves on Wikipedia. So, for example, if there is a Facebook account called 'Girth Summit', and the person using that account is posting that Wikipedia is crap and threatening to beat you up, you can report them to Facebook moderators, but you cannot report it publicly here unless I have said here that I own that Facebook account. What you can do is report stuff privately by e-mail - I'd suggest Arbcom or the functionaries list - if someone is bragging about creating hoaxes or introducing subtle vandalism, send it to them and they will investigate. Girth Summit (blether) 17:57, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay thanks. So, for a tip, should I keep an eye on their userboxes before reporting someone? SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 18:06, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You could look on their talk page generally and see if they make the connection there - take a look at mine, I note the name I use (very occasionally) on IRC, and that I don't have any other social media accounts under this name. If you don't see a declaration, don't report anything publicly, send it in by email. Girth Summit (blether) 18:18, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikidata not linked to page[edit]

I was working on The Realness (podcast) and decided to add some information to its corresponding wikidata page so that Template:Podcast platform links will display the various locations that you can go listen to the podcast. However, none of the links are showing up in the template. I think that it has something to do with the Wikidata page name because it's just called "The Realness" not "The Realness (podcast)", but I don't do much with Wikidata and I wasn't sure how to fix the problem. TipsyElephant (talk) 18:19, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A WP:NULLEDIT seems to have fixed the problem. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:22, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi, TipsyElephant. I see that Pppery says it is fixed. But for your information, the "name" (ID) of that Wikidata item is Q111944132. It may have multiple labels in English, as well as in other languages, but they do not affect its association with a page in a Wikipedia or any other project, which is via its ID. ColinFine (talk) 21:51, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dean Andrews[edit]

My husband went to school with him. I added my husbands name and linked in link. It is not promotional. My husband will not benfit from this, it is just a fact, but you removed it. Should I just remove the linkedin link? The Trustworthy Editor (talk) 19:03, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We have a policy here called Verifiability. We don't write what we know, we write what we can demonstrate by referencing reliable published sources. If you can find a published source, that's great, but if it's just something you know because your husband knows the person, it needs to stay out. I'm not calling you a liar, but this is the internet - you could be anyone, we have no way of knowing whether what you say is true. Girth Summit (blether) 19:07, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We do not list every person to have ever attended a school, gone to a place or know a person. We require our subjects to be notable and the content in their articles to be well sourced. PRAXIDICAE🌈 19:07, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@The Trustworthy Editor Not to pile on, but if your husband is not Notable (click here) and doesn't have his own article here on Wikipedia, there is no reason to add his name to someone else's article. Your husband's name and LinkedIn profile won't help a reader know or understand Dean Andrews any better, and you wouldn't expect to see something like that in the Encyclopedia Britannica, would you? Sorry to be a downer. I hope this helps explain the reasoning. (talk) 09:43, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Changing name of Iñupiaq sidebar interlanguage link[edit]

Hello! I've been working on developing the Iñupiaq Wikipedia site. However, in the interlanguage links on the sidebar, the language is listed as "Iñupiak". It is my understanding that the interlanguage link should be the appropriate endonym, which should be "Iñupiatun". (literally, like Iñupiaq or "in the Iñupiaq language"). In any case, "Iñupiak" is wrong; even as an exonym the language is spelled Iñupiaq, with a q.

I have searched all over for instructions on how to do this to now avail. Help? Naulagmi (talk) 19:20, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Interwiki links are handled on WikiData's end nowadays, so your answers would lie there, I think. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 19:21, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is probably better asked on Meta, to be honest. PRAXIDICAE🌈 19:25, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Naulagmi: I think this would have to be changed in mw:Universal language selector. But I'm not sure where best to request it, so let's just try asking one of the developers: Amire80 – hope you don't mind the ping –, would you be able to help with this? Rummskartoffel 20:18, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Of course I don't mind the ping, Rummskartoffel. Perfectly relevant. I'll follow up with Naulagmi. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 04:58, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi @Amire80. How do I request it at the Universal language selector page? Thanks! Naulagmi (talk) 16:08, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've already done everything in the software. If all goes well, it will be deployed next week. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 18:15, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Infobox picture of the recently deceased[edit]

Hello! On Wikipedia, with notable figures, it is usually common practice for a recent image to be preferred in the infobox. Once they die however, they usually find a picture from what consensus determines to be the peak of their career. I’ve seen this be cited in edit summaries as MOS/Biography, however I’m struggling to find any formal guidelines or MOS details explicitly addressing the change of infobox picture upon a subject’s death. Can someone point me to such a guideline, for my personal reference? Thank you! DrewieStewie (talk) 22:20, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@DrewieStewie welcome to Help Desk. If you find out, please update MOS:LEADIMAGE or ping me. This is where I would expect some guidelines. Semi-related, the licensing requirements for BLP excludes fair-use images, since it's theoretically possible to obtain a freely licensed image of someone alive. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 01:01, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, DrewieStewie. Although various editors have different philosophies, I believe that the best practice is to use a high quality freely licensed or public domain image that shows the person at the top of their game. Take a look at the images used at Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush, who obviously have a very large number of freely licensed and public domain images available to choose from. In both cases, the lead images show them at the peaks of their careers. It is common, though, for editors to make proposals to change the lead photo when a famous person has died. This is a conversation that has recently taken place at Talk: Olivia Newton-John, where a high quality photo of her in the 21st century was replaced by a lower quality but still nice black and white photo from about 40 years ago. In the end, these decisions are made by the consensus of the editors interested in updating the biography of a celebrity who has recently died. Cullen328 (talk) 02:44, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 17[edit]

Personally Offensive edit[edit]

I made an edit to a page and it was reverted with the comment that my edit was "simple-minded". That is, it is a comment, made, about me being a simple minded person. People have minds not comments. So, their response was a personally directed slight to me. I do not want to engage with the contributor to "talk" about the edit as I do not want to be victim again to their offensive behaviors. There was no button or option to "report" the edit as being offensive, personally offensive, etc. JohnIsRight (talk) 00:02, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@JohnIsRight Welcome to the Help Desk. I looked over your 3 edits, which were rolled back by User:Avatar317. They didn't call you simple-minded, rather they called your explanation simple-minded. I would have preferred a friendlier edit-summary, but agree with their revert. Removing sources as you have done, should be done with caution. See WP:REFBEGIN. Hopefully future edits will be more satisfactory. Kind regards, ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 00:26, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, JohnIsRight. The other editor did not call you simple-minded (which would have been a personal attack) but rather they described your explanation that way. And the editor also provided a pretty convincing argument for why that content should stay in the article. It is supported by a reference to a book published by Routledge, a reliable academic publisher, called "The Digital Transformation of Labor: Automation, the Gig Economy and Welfare". That's a solid source that should only be removed for a very good reason, not according to the personal opinion of one editor. You are free to discuss the matter at Talk: Minimum wage, and try to build consensus there that it should be removed. Cullen328 (talk) 01:53, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


IM WILLIAM WOODY ENLIGHTEN ME PLEASE. 2603:6080:3D08:B00:B0CB:218:C0C2:B1F0 (talk) 02:21, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your question is a bit unclear. Could you please clarify? Thanks. weeklyd3 (block | talk | contributions) 02:22, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
NVM 2603:6080:3D08:B00:B0CB:218:C0C2:B1F0 (talk) 02:26, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
WELL I WRITE MUSIC AN WORK A JOB 2603:6080:3D08:B00:B0CB:218:C0C2:B1F0 (talk) 02:25, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
See Enlightenment (spiritual). -Arch dude (talk) 05:10, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
See also Musical composition and WP:SHOUT.Shantavira|feed me 08:35, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Make a wish?[edit]

make a wish is for children is there any wish programs for adults? I am a disabled vet and need a way to transport my electric wheelchair. Preacherclown (talk) 04:34, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Preacherclown: You're better off contacting someone from Make-A-Wish. Wikipedia can't help you here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:11, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Preacherclown: This is the help desk for using and editing Wikipedia, so we are not equipped to answer this question. You might take a look at GoFundMe, but the VA is probably more reliable. -Arch dude (talk) 05:14, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How to make new page[edit]

How to make new page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikikoolr (talkcontribs) 06:58, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikikoolr Making a new article(not a "page") is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia. It is a good idea to first gain experience and knowledge by editing existing articles, in order to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. It's also a good idea to use the new user tutorial. Doing these things greatly increases your chances of success in writing a new article, as opposed to diving right in.
However, if you wish to attempt to create a new article now, you will first need to gather independent reliable sources with significant coverage of the topic that you will summarize in the article you want to write. If you then examine the relevant definition of notability depending on what you want to write about and the topic meets that definition, you may visit Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 07:03, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Élisa Mercœur[edit]

Hi Folks!! I renamed this article at Élisa Mercœur. Its now the same as the French article. It had it as Elisa Mercoeur. I think the Élisa bit is correct, seems to reflect the sources, but the Mercœur surname, would that be correct in English? It looks odd, so I'm not sure. Thanks. scope_creepTalk 08:16, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Looks right to me, and that’s what ref #2 has. I recreated the redirect Elisa Mercoeur (any reason you decided to delete it when moving the article?).
By the way, we have an article about Œ, which is apparently used in English (from French loanwords but still), so the case to do a transliteration is fairly weak. I think the rule (beyond WP:COMMONNAME) is that non-Latin-script names are transliterated (thus Владимир Ленин and 豊臣 秀吉 get English names as Vladimir Lenin and Toyotomi Hideyoshi), but we keep Latin script names (hence Ratko Mladić with a ć, Manuel Azaña with an ñ, Tunalı Hilmi with a dotless i). TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 08:46, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi @Tigraan: Thats fine. I wasn't sure. I seems to match the French wp article now. scope_creepTalk 10:09, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Adding a custom parameter to an existing infobox template[edit]

Hi there, I'm looking to add a "Public access" parameter to the infobox on the page Ballinacarriga Castle, such as can be found on Template:Infobox monastery. The Ballinacarriga Castle page has the infobox for a historic site, and I'd like to add the public access parameter to the page, without effecting the template generally. Thanks in advance! Xx78900 (talk) 08:37, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm pretty sure there's no way to add a parameter to an infobox without adding to the template, and potentially affecting every page that uses it. In any case, Template talk:Infobox historic site. Perhaps WP:WikiProject Infoboxes would be a better place to start. ColinFine (talk) 15:23, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Named REF reordering[edit]

Editors can use either the order (A) <ref name="unique_name">bibliographic minutiae</ref> for first use and <ref name="unique_name" /> for any subsequent use, or (B) any other order; however, I suspect that while editing I'm not alone in expecting/hoping to find order (A).

If I radically reorder the content of an article, I should attend to various housekeeping chores; but one thing I'll want to do (even if it's unnecessary) is restore that former order, whereby the first instance of any citation is the one whose "source" has all the details.

For a long article, this restoration could be tedious "by hand", but perhaps easy with a bot. Has some kind person created a bot that will (semi-) automate the task? -- Hoary (talk) 09:18, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Hoary: In case you were not aware, WP:COSMETICBOT forbids a bot that would do only that kind of edits. So it would have to be bundled with other, non-cosmetic edits.
My first thought was "maybe this is in AWB"? And there is something that is similar in the list of general fixes, but not quite the thing, but close enough that maybe it does it. I suppose you could test that. (The "general fixes" is stuff that AWB does automatically when you use it to do other, non-cosmetic stuff.) TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 15:32, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you, Tigraan, for the tips. And for the salutary reminder of my near-complete ignorance of editing tools. I'd encountered the name AWB but never bothered to read up on it. Now that I do, I see that it's for Windows. Still, there's a Javascript alternative. On the third hand, I suppose I could borrow a Windows computer. On the fourth, while "duplicate copies of the same reference are condensed to the abbreviated format", there'd be no duplicate copies; and if there were, it would be good to know which of them would be condensed. Oh well, I'll stumble ahead, "manually". -- Hoary (talk) 21:34, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How is it that the (arguably) most famous "vaccine skeptic" in America today, Barbara Loe Fisher, doesn't have a Wiki entry?[edit]

If you search her name on the big G, you get referred to her organization, the "National Vaccine Information Center", but there are no links for her or the other founders of NVIC - this seems deliberate to me, in some sense, that prominent people like this don't have their own pages. (talk) 13:11, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikipedia reports on what has been written about a subject in multiple reliable sources; see WP:GNG for more information. If a person is not (yet) the subject of an article on Wikipedia it can be because no-one has yet written one or because there is insufficient coverage in usable sources. If this person is notable in the Wikipedia sense an article will likely be produced in due course. There is no deadline and no automatic right to an article. Eagleash (talk) 13:34, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And to address the accusation. It's not deliberate, it will be because of the reasons given above. - X201 (talk) 13:42, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I will point out that Barbara Loe Fisher redirects to National Vaccine Information Center, so if people are searching for in formation about her they at least get information about the organization she co-founded. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 14:11, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Out of curiosity, what is their logo supposed to be? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:27, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Madonna (art)?
Trappist the monk (talk) 18:06, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That actually seems plausible. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:08, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also, the history of the redirect shows that there was an article until 2010, when it was redirected. Relevant discussion behind that decision can be found at Talk:National_Vaccine_Information_Center/Archive_1#Barbara_Loe_Fisher_page_redirect. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 14:46, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
See WP:BASIC. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!" move on to WP:BLP and then WP:YFA. Note however that it is difficult to create an acceptable WP-article without any previous WP-experience, so it is recommended to get some of that first. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:23, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The BLP on Babs was redirected to the NVIC article more than ten years ago as a solution to BLP issues. Babs is all about the NVIC, so much so that the only things she is notable for are NVIC related, the redirect seems proper and inevitable. -Roxy the dog with opposable thumbs 14:35, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply][edit]

Hi. I dipped a toe in the water as I was doing a little research and came to the Brigitte Harman entry. There were unsourced honours. I looked into some Couldn't find sources and removed. Then I looked at the last one...Friedrich-Schiedel-Literaturpreis [de] (1998). I can't find a source but there is a pic of Brigitte Harman receiving the award in the article. I thought of removing that also but now I'm thinking am I doing more harm than good. Can you give me some guidance please. Thanks Paul Lukewarmbeer (talk) 14:43, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Lukewarmbeer: Sorry to be blunt but your research skills seem inadequate for such work. Your example in [1] was the Kreisky Preis. The entry linked "[de]" to de:Bruno-Kreisky-Preis für das politische Buch, a book prize as should be expected for an author. She is also listed there although other Wikipedia languages are not reliable sources. Your edit summary indicated you looked at but that's a human rights prize. If you want to check whether Brigitte Hamann won the Kreisky Preis in 1997 then the obvious thing to do is make an Internet search like Brigitte Hamann Kreisky Preis 1997. This immediately finds reliable sources. I suggest you restore all the prizes unless you make much better research to show problems, and then you can add {{citation needed}} because I want to give others a chance to look for sources. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:22, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The section had {{unreferenced section|date=October 2016}} so others did have six years. Still, I would like better research before actually removing prizes. Some articles just don't get much attention and citation requests can be ignored for many years. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:59, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok :) Lukewarmbeer (talk) 17:58, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Annotated Learning[edit]

By using story form as a method to help students learn concepts. I would use 2604:2D80:920E:2B00:F8F0:53B2:4F27:2732 (talk) 16:31, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? Rummskartoffel 16:43, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wikipedia is a concise, general-knowledge encyclopedia, written in an encyclopedic style. Therefore, what you propose is not appropriate to Wikipedia as it exists today. However, Wikipedia has a section called Village pump (idea lab), where visionary ideas for future Wikipedia projects may be discussed in depth and at length.--Quisqualis (talk) 00:45, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Error on page[edit]

On the page about Frank W. Preston, it has his birthdate of June 14, 1896. But under his Biography; Early life, it states he was born May 14, 1896. (talk) 16:51, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello IP! I've gone ahead and fixed the error you mentioned. The correct birthdate was under the "Early Life" section as according to the ref, May 14 is correct. Thanks for pointing it out! ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:56, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Add someone to Wikipedia[edit]

misplaced article content

Dear Wikipedia,

Who is Israel ‘Izzy (Mr. Salsa) Sanabria?

An artist, a Legendary Host, Entrepreneur, Creator, Stylistic, Actor, Performer, Musician, Entertainer, Fashionista, Latino Historian, Activist, Realist, Legendary and Salsa Hall of Famer.

Where is Izzy Sanabria, The Artist, Legendary Host, Entrepreneur, Creator, Stylistic, Actor, Performer, Musician, Entertainer, Fashionista, Latino Historian, Activist, Realist, Legendary and Salsa Hall of Famer on Wikipedia?

This legend paved the road for Fania, Fania All Stars, Salsa’s Perfect Combination and Latino Generations for years with his Hosting Voice, Artistry, Album Creations, Magazines, Fashion Styles, and so much more. Hundreds of thousands of people throughout the globe know who Izzy Sanabria is, why not Wikipedia?

In the 1960s, 70s and 80s, Mr. Sanabria, did not only touch thousands of people throughout this country with his artistic talents and unquestionable entertainment capabilities. He sported some of the most unique male fashion trends, inspiring many of us growing up within the five boroughs of New York City and abroad. For example, He’s the gentleman seen dancing and sporting a red suit in the beginning of the 2007 movie, ‘El Cantante,’ the life of Hector LaVoe with superstar celebrities, Marc Anthony and Jennifer Lopez. Like the Bee Gees, who were colossal to us all in music and entertainment as singers, so was Izzy Sanabria in the world of Latino music and entertainment as a host, artist, actor, writer, publisher and so much more.

Izzy (Mr. Salsa) Sanabria was at the forefront of every Fania Salsa Introduction throughout the globe. The Fania consisted of many legendary talented musicians like; Larry Harlow, (who was the first to enter Fania) Ray Barretto, Bobby Valentin, Willie Colon, Hector LaVoe, Roberto Roena, Jorge Santana, Celia Cruz, Barry Rogers, Ismael Quintana, Ismael Miranda, Bobby Cruz, Cheo Feliciano, Pete “El Conde” Rodriguez, Justo Betancourt, Santos Colon, Yomo Toro, Ruben Blades, Mongo Santamaria, Richie Ray, Joe Bataan, Papo Lucca, Adalberto Santiago, Eddie Palmieri, Tito Puente, Andy Montañez, Louie Ramirez, Jimmy Sabater, Orestes Vilato, Manu Dibango, Luis Perico Ortiz, Bobby Rodriguez, Renaldo Jorge, Hector Bomberito Zarzuela, Manu Dibango, Larry Spencer, and of course, the founders of Fania, Jerry Masucci and Johnny Pacheco.

Before the disco explosion of the 1970s, Fania’s explosion was ten years ahead of its time and like a revved up locomotive at full throttle with no brakes, it swept through the 1970s music revolution, 1980s, hip-hop and 1990s, rap. Although Fania members have faded away in 2022, Fania music still continues its compatibility with Reggaeton on radio stations. Fania’s magical contemporary style of Salsa music touched many generations of all ages and even now in 2022; we listen faithfully as though it was yesterday. Times have changed and so have the morals and values of people.

Many musicians today don’t possess the caliber and cooperationist, held by the Fania musicians and entertainers like Mr. Salsa, Izzy Sanabria. To form a new Fania and find a new Izzy, will take a miracle.

Continuous dedicatory, genuine commitment in partnership, workmanship and total cooperation in every aspect of entertainment and management are the DNA molecules which created and kept together this legendary organization and this man (Izzy) for so many glorious years.

Dear Wikipedia, I just gave you the tip of the Latino Iceberg, Who is Israel ‘Izzy’ Sanabria and why is he not on Wikipedia? Thank you for your cooperation, consideration and sincere understanding.

Respectfully Submitted, (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Everything you've written is absolutely inappropriate for Wikipedia. No reliable sources are cited, and it is written in a promotional manner. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:17, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The dry answer to the question "Why isn't he on Wikipedia" is simply "Nobody has yet written an encyclopedia article about him which shows that he meets Wikipedia's standards for inclusion." Such an article needs to be based on reliable sources which are independent of the subject. It also needs to be written from a neutral point of view, whereas the above text is anything but--indeed, I felt the need to check whether it was a copyright violation from a press release, other promotional materials, or from his own web site. Remember that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and as such the inclusion of phrases like "like a revved up locomotive at full throttle" and "for so many glorious years" would be deemed as completely unacceptable. Hope this helps. --Finngall talk 18:40, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you're writing in a promotional manner, please take a look at WP:PRPEOPLE. RteeeeKed💬📖 18:45, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Writing walls of text that are crammed to the gills with promotional bullshit doesn't convince us editors to look towards your draft; it convinces us to look towards WP:COI/N. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 18:41, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@ As you can see, there's hostility to promotional articles. Nonetheless, there might be something here. Sanabria is mentioned in a few articles, including the Salsa music article, and there's some coverage crediting his efforts to popularize the term "salsa": [[2]], [[3]], [[4]], [[5]], [[6]] (in Spanish), [[7]]. But in addition to the advice you've been given above, you might be better off proposing an article at Wikipedia:WikiProject Latin music/Missing articles. And since there are way more proposed articles than editors to write them, you could mention on the Salsa music talk page that you proposed an article about him, to generate interest from volunteers who are interested in salsa. You could use a less promotional version of your above text to make your case, and add the sources I found to your request. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 19:45, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah, this guy looks to be notable per @Timtempleton's sourcing. Anyone interested in music and addressing systemic bias on WP? Valereee (talk) 20:29, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 18[edit]

Multiple addresses in the infobox[edit]

I edit high school articles, and it isn't rare that I come across a school with multiple addresses (e.g., multiple campuses such as North Campus and South Campus, or different campuses for different grades such as an elementary, middle, and high school campus):

  • In the infobox, would it be appropriate to list all addresses, or should only the common aspects of the addresses, such as country, state/province, and city? (e.g., if not all the schools have the same city in common, but have the same province and country in common, only write the province and country in the infobox)
  • If all addresses should be listed, what is the limit for when addresses shouldn't be listed in its entirety (e.g., perhaps when an organization that has schools across the country)?
  • If the addresses shouldn't be listed in the infobox, should they be listed in the body of the article?
  • If there is ever a time multiple addresses should be listed in the infobox, how should it be formatted? Is the example below an OK way to format them, and is there a better way to format this?:

Campus 1
1234 Example St
A city, state
Campus 2
567 Example Rd
A city, state
TheGEICOgecko (talk) 06:29, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi TheGEICOgecko. You might want to ask about this WT:WPSCHOOLS, but personally adding too much of this type of information might be contrary to the purpose of MOS:INFOBOX and run afoul of WP:NOTDIRECTORY. A Wikipedia article isn't (at least not in my opinion) intended to be an "About us" or "Contact us" type of section you might find on an organization's official website. It seems (again in my opinion) only appropriate to list the main address for the school and not the address of each campus. If the other information is on the school's official website and there's a link to that website in the infobox or in the External links seciton, then that seems more than sufficient from a Wikipedia standpoint. Finally, I'm wondering whether anyone has previously brought up your choice of user name before. It could possibly be seen by some as being promotional since there is after all the The GEICO Gecko advertising campaign. I might be overthinking things a bit, which is why I wondering whether it ever came up before. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:36, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Grand Arcade (Leeds)[edit]

refs number 3 and 5 are the same - can they be "doubled up" please? thanks in advance (talk) 08:07, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Done Recommend using an wp:edit request instead. Cheers Adakiko (talk) 08:13, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Martha Mitchell[edit]

Martha Mitchell massively factually contadicts - a reliable source. VANDALIZING uses an offline reference:

"Martha Mitchell". Saturday Evening Post. Vol. 243, no. 2. Fall 1971. pp. 50–53.

0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 10:08, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is article related, so it should be raised at Talk:Martha Mitchell.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 10:13, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hide and seek[edit]

I recently created the template {{Ouse washes map}} by tweaking an existing template. The template has a hide/show option, which appears to "show" as the default. Is it possible to change this to "hide" by default without sabotaging the base Routemap template? thanks Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:58, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Template:Ouse washes map 💜  melecie  talk - 11:01, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]