Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

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This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS. Archives of past nominations can be found here.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.

Ayman al-Zawahiri in 2001
Ayman al-Zawahiri

How to nominate an item[edit]

In order to suggest a candidate:

  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated).
    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process.
  • Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so.
    • Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense.
    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting.
  • Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page.

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There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN.

Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template.

Headers[edit]

  • Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active.
  • Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header.

Voicing an opinion on an item[edit]

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do not...[edit]

  1. add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
  2. oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is generally unproductive.
  3. accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN.
  4. comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. The criteria can be discussed at the relevant talk page.

Please be encouraged to...[edit]

  1. pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten.
  2. review an item even if it has already been reviewed by another user. Maybe the previous reviewer has missed a problem, or an identified problem has now been fixed. Piling on the list of "support!" votes may also help administrators identify items that are ready for promotion to the ITN template on MainPage.
  3. point out problematic areas in the nominated article and, if appropriate, suggest how to fix them. If you know exactly what to do, by all means, go ahead and fix it as you see fit.
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August 9[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Science and technology


44th Chess Olympiad[edit]

Article: 44th Chess Olympiad (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​The 44th Chess Olympiad concludes with Uzbekistan winning the open event and Ukraine winning the women's event. (Post)
News source(s): ChessBase
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: What a result! Davey2116 (talk) 14:44, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support. What a tournament indeed! That the teams were that close to each other is agonizing. Congrats to the winning teams. Nice work on the article. Ktin (talk) 15:12, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support I've completed the updates in all three articles. It should be good to go now.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:19, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Lamont Dozier[edit]

Article: Lamont Dozier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The usual discography citation issues need to be fixed; no other issues I can see within the article's body. rawmustard (talk) 12:38, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Comment There are also a few uncited sentences. I'll change my vote to support once this gets fixed. --Vacant0 (talk) 13:19, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Issey Miyake[edit]

Article: Issey Miyake (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died on 5 August but only announced today.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:47, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) Raid of Mar-a-Lago[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Raid of Mar-a-Lago (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In the United States, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) raids Mar-a-Lago, one of the homes of former President Donald Trump (Post)
News source(s): https:nytimes.com/2022/08/08/us/politics/trump-fbi-mar-a-lago.html
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Unheard of in the United States. Therapyisgood (talk) 02:09, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait -- it is indeed unheard of, and I for one am celebrating. However, I believe that we should wait for an actual indictment. It probably won't be very long now. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 03:07, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak oppose — It's not a huge story, and certainly a U.S. focused one, but it could lead to something bigger. [email protected] (he/him) 03:32, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • It's definitely a huge story here in the US, since this has never happened before. But agree, this isn't the thing to post ITN. --RockstoneSend me a message! 03:44, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I'm aware of how large of a story it is in the U.S.—I live here—but ITN is a global thing. Certain things from the U.S. do transcend ITN's usual disdain for U.S. centric news, such as the most recent blurb in ITN right now and the Uvalde shooting from months ago, but this is not one of them. It's part of a larger story for sure, but globally this has no impact on even someone from Canada. [email protected] (he/him) 04:10, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Perhaps surprisingly, this is the Number 2 story on Australia's national broadcaster right now, behind unsurprising, saturation coverage of Olivia Newton-John's life and death. See here. And we see very little about Trump in the news these days. HiLo48 (talk) 05:52, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Interesting thought experiment -- if a former Canadian Prime Minister were having his house raided, would we blurb it? I'm assuming not. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 06:41, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We have no requirements for "global impact" at WP:ITN and a specific note above about opposing because a story only relates to a single country. How is it these arguments are able to persist? --LaserLegs (talk) 09:26, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose This is part of a possible larger story related to Trump, but this one event is not the type of news to feature on the front page. --Masem (t) 03:39, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait a few days until we know if there’s an imminent indictment or not. If there’s not, I’ll support as a raid on a former president’s residence is completely unprecedented in US politics, and certainly notable enough to overcome “America-centrism.” The Kip (talk) 04:20, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I don't think we're going to post anything short of an indictment of Trump. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:43, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose A very unusual event, but currently no evidence it will lead to anything more significant. If it does lead to anything, that event can instead be nominated for ITN. Lewis Hulbert (talk) 05:04, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Lewis Hulbert Just noting that this sort of thing is not done even with non-politicians unless the FBI/Department of Justice already has substantial evidence of a crime and knows what they will find when the warrant is executed. Twitter is full of lawyers saying they would advise clients who this happens to that charges are likely coming. 331dot (talk) 09:30, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose largely under the principle expressed by Muboshgu. This is part of a larger story. ITN consideration for any piece of this puzzle starts once this case is in court. This raid is just a highly-publicised fact-gathering mission. Not even sure there should be a published article on the raid yet - it's very possible nothing comes of it, and it would be more appropriate to publish such an article after more is known about said raid. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:51, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose until he is arrested/charged with a crime. This may be likely, but it must happen first. 331dot (talk) 09:28, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose article is at AfD and not overly notable.  Nixinova T  C   09:32, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It's going to easily survive AFD --LaserLegs (talk) 09:35, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Maybe if Trump is charged with something. Steelkamp (talk) 09:34, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak Support the use of federal troops to attack a former leader is unheard of in Western democracies but perhaps unsurprising given that the Mueller Investigation was a years long multi-million dollar attack on Donald Trump that ultimately came up empty handed. --LaserLegs (talk) 09:35, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per Steelkamp. Hype is nothing without substance. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:36, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. What is going on here with Trump is far more significant than Watergate. Indictment of Trump is not all that relevant. Qite a few former presidents/prime ministers have been prosecuted and jailed, that can happen for relatively minor legal issues. But Trump has been allowed by the GOP to be a Nixon on steroids and we're only now finding out many of the details of Trump's presidency. Count Iblis (talk) 10:32, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
WP:BLP applies, even to Trump. 331dot (talk) 10:55, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • This is a huge story, but it does not make for encyclopedic content. The facts currently known are too minimal. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:14, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose a mere investigation. If Trump is arrested, charged or convicted of a crime, then we can reconsider. Police gathering evidence is not sufficient IMO. Compare to the recent Partygate investigation, which was nominated multiple times but never posted - even when Johnson was issued a fine. Modest Genius talk 11:24, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose a bit of a pile on but I agree, this is a part of a much bigger story. Post when Trump is arrested. Polyamorph (talk) 11:45, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

August 8[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

International relations

Law and crime


(Posted) RD: Herb Roedel[edit]

Article: Herb Roedel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): San Francisco Chronicle (via Legacy.com)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died on July 25, first reported today (August 8). BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:07, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Bill Graham[edit]

Article: Bill Graham (Canadian politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian politician, served in government and was interim Leader of the Opposition. Article is in fairly good shape, but likely needs some additional citations, as some sections are missing cites. Kaiser matias (talk) 00:25, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Zofia Posmysz[edit]

Article: Zofia Posmysz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Independent, HuffPost
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Tractor Tyres (talk) 22:06, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Resistance fighter in World War II, Holocaust survivor, who wrote an audio play about her experiences in Auschwitz, which was turned into a play and an opera. The article, created by Edison and written mostly by Poeticbent and myself, seems in reasonable shape. I believe we should receive credit, but don't know where to put it. I would have nominated tomorrow, after consulting more obits. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Olivia Newton-John[edit]

Article: Olivia Newton-John (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Singer-songwriter & actress who has passed away due to breast cancer, perhaps best known for starring in the film adaptation of Grease. Please note there is no blurb for this nomination. I accidentally put RD/Blurb instead of just RD. XxLuckyCxX (talk) 19:25, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The source is a verified FB, but it's not been picked up by any news outlets (yet). EvergreenFir (talk) 19:32, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's starting to get around. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:34, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Parade is (so far) the highest quality source to report it. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:42, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
BBC reporting just now, so that should start the chain reaction for want of a better word XxLuckyCxX (talk) 19:44, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
See also Cosmopolitan, CNN and The NY Post XxLuckyCxX (talk) 19:46, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I was F5-ing BBC, so yes, that's solid for me. Article has some clean up needed though. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:47, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose blurb regardless of the discussion on the talk page, she really had only a few roles that made her significant, and the article failures to capture why she should be considered the top of her field. Articke is in poor quality (filmography etc needs refs) --Masem (t) 20:03, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Didn't mean to put it as a blurb, that is only there as a comment XxLuckyCxX (talk) 20:13, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose Blurb per Masem MyriadSims (talk) 20:11, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support Blurb She had a career of almost 60 years with many famous roles and awards, I think that is blurb worthy. -- Maykii (talk) 20:12, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Going by previous similar nominations, it isn't. Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:17, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose blurb She's more famous for her career than many other notable people. Do not confuse that with being so important or transformative that she deserves a death blurb. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:18, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Added RS to nom.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 20:19, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not Ready for RD Significant gaps in referencing. Oppose Blurb A prominent figure in her profession to be sure but well below what we look for in a blurb. Note we did not blurb Kirk Douglas or Olivia de Havilland who were giants in the business. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:29, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    To be fair, "the business" here is more music than movie, where she clearly left most Hollywood legends in the dust. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:48, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support RD Looks good to me AdrianHObradors (talk) 23:16, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Blurb, Iconic — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:58B:4380:2540:0:0:0:40CC (talk) 01:17, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support RD, article is in good shape Polyamorph (talk) 06:38, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb If that's what it takes to get the smirking terrorist of the front page. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:44, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    There are better, easier ways (including forced replacement by a grinning Annemiek van Vleuten). InedibleHulk (talk) 13:15, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Yes, she's on the upper end of famous, but I wouldn't say she's transformative in her field. Not ready for RD as there are uncited paragraphs and a one sentence paragraph in the lead. Steelkamp (talk) 09:38, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on quality, support RD with picture in theory when quality is improved. Haven't we done picture RDs before for this middle ground of popularity? -- a lad insane (channel two) 10:41, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support RD ... when ready. Oppose blurb per Masem, Muboshgu. – Sca (talk) 13:14, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Strong Support RD You would have to be completely out of your mind to not include this in the RD list. This is just like the pathetic bickering around Meat Loaf's death, which never ended up being listed. Meanwhile, completely forgettable baseball players of decades past get listed with no issues. 173.240.190.3 (talk) 15:31, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support 61.69.136.118 (talk) 14:01, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support RD - Article is of a good standard and certainly noteworthy. Mark E (talk) 15:58, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Roger E. Mosley[edit]

Article: Roger E. Mosley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Magnum P.I. actor, who passed away in a tragic car crash aged 83. Article source to news of his death. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:08, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Nominator comment: Needs additional 2-3 citations in career section, filmography needs completing and referencing. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:13, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Leandro Lo[edit]

Article: Leandro Lo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Assasinated Shot this morning, sucessful world Ju-Jitsu champion. Article source to news of his death. Given he was an all-time great in the sport needs much longer article at least regarding his career. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:18, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Wait the article right now is pretty bare bones, half of it is just his death. I'll say a bit more bio info is needed, then support. AdrianHObradors (talk) 10:30, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Wait until article is updated 88.230.3.245 (talk) 13:41, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not Ready it is a stub at the moment, working on expanding it. Lewolka (talk) 12:16, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment I don't think "Assassinated" is quite the right verb here. Our own article says that's for "a head of state, head of government, politician, member of a royal family, or CEO", and I would even have my doubts about the final one in that list. HiLo48 (talk) 21:50, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Intentionally shot which would amount to murder although probably need to wait for the conclusion of the trial to assert. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:52, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 7[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Politics and elections


RD: David McCullough[edit]

Article: David McCullough (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT (paywalled), PBS, AP, NPR, Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American historian. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 16:25, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Not Quite Ready Article is in relatively decent shape for a change. Just a few cites needed and the one section at the bottom needs a reference. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:24, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I found citations for the narration section; some of them were just episodes of shows already cited. There is one CN tag left for his audiobooks. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 22:59, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I added a citation for the audiobook statement; Let me know if you think that that citation will work as it is or if we should break it up into several citations. KConWiki (talk) 00:44, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Question: Can anyone with any concerns about this article's readiness please post comments about what they feel still needs work? Thanks to everyone for all they do for WP. KConWiki (talk) 04:29, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – Quite widely covered. – Sca (talk) 13:21, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Looks good now. --Vacant0 (talk) 13:27, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Eike Christian Hirsch[edit]

Article: Eike Christian Hirsch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hannoversche Allgemeine
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German journalist and author Grimes2 (talk) 13:14, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 6[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents


(Closed) RD/Blurb: Archie Battersbee case[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Archie Battersbee case (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: 12-year-old Archie Battersbee dies when his life support is withdrawn following a protracted legal case in England (Post)
News source(s): https:bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-62346354
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Significant legal case; UN involvement; significant press coverage in UK & overseas Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:58, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Stub, but notable. Grimes2 (talk) 14:02, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose blurb as unimportant. Oppose blurb or RD on quality grounds. In terms of a blurb, this is a human interest story hyped by British media, but objectively unimportant; lethal accidents of children and legal disputes about keeping comatose patients alive are relatively frequent. Even as a RD entry, the article is a mess and not ready for the main page. There is very little prose, all in the lead. The rest is WP:PROSELINE bullet points and a table of court decisions without context. Sandstein 14:42, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose in general, this doesn't appear to be a case with long-term repurcussions. But I will stress the Oppose on quality - an article that is basically a timeline rather than a discussion of the issues around this isn't going to be sufficient for main page (and the fact that hasn't been done here suggests that this doesnt have the impact suggested). --Masem (t) 14:41, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment To begin with, if it’s a stub it cannot be supported: the quality of the article is something fundamental for it to be included on the Main Page. And this one is far from being in good condition. The RS, moreover, do not consider it as a landmark decision, so it may seem that the impact and the notability of the case is rather mediatic than legal, juridical and medical. And it should be noted that the UN intervention is at the request of the family, not by the decision of the organization itself. I have my doubts that it is ITNR-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:44, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
An improved version is maybe candidate for RD. Grimes2 (talk) 14:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, sure. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:50, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on notability. Can only find it as main story on British publications and tabloids and doesn't seem to have any major repercussions - nowhere on AP and CNN International, hidden on NYT World, not the top story on BBC Global, and so forth. DatGuyTalkContribs 14:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose blurb ... as lacking case-law significance. RD subject to quality/length standards. – Sca (talk) 14:58, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose, For lack of notability. Alex-h (talk) 15:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on all fronts. Dreadful article. Barely notable for inclusion on Wikipedia as it is, honestly. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 17:07, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose I don't think this would work as a RD as there is little biographical information, for obvious reasons. As a blurb, the article would have to be completely re-written to replace the timeline with conventional prose. Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:17, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. Interesting story, but not for ITN. I'd suggest DYK. --RockstoneSend me a message! 17:20, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support for RD. Appears to be getting significant coverage internationally, including an article in the New York Times: [1] Thriley (talk) 17:28, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose an isolated death. Polyamorph (talk) 17:30, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • It's clear that the consensus for now is against blurb. I change the nomination format. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:50, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Oppose RD as well, the child doesn't have an independent biography. Polyamorph (talk) 19:02, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    This is not necessarily a requirement in a case like this. The child would never have an independent bio but his death here can be well documented to be an RD. (But there needs to be improvements still on the article) Masem (t) 19:16, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Technically the boy died in May (according to the judiciary report). An independent article would mean this would pass the notability test for an RD automatically, I don't think that is the case here. The case is making the news but I don't think it should be ITN or RD. Polyamorph (talk) 19:26, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Blurb on notability and Oppose RD due to the article being about the case rather then the child who was the centre of it. This just isn't notable enough for a global encyclopaedia and most folks over here in the UK have bigger things to worry about, such as which Eton Psycho will be our next PM and the impending recession. --SinoDevonian (talk) 19:55, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Problem: RD requires a biographical Wikipedia article. However, the nominated article Archie Battersbee case is not a biography of the deceased a 12-year-old child. It does not qualify for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 20:21, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    That's not true. Having a standalone bio article is sufficient for RD posting, but RD postings are not limited to those with biographical articles - just that those without biographical articles should still be reviewed as a normal ITNC that is otherwise targetted for RD posting. (Eg: I am pretty sure we have had RDs of criminals that are well identified on the page about the crime they did but lack a standalone article) Masem (t) 20:24, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Examples: Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/May_2017#(Posted_as_RD)_Ian_Brady_dies_at_79, Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/January_2021#(Posted)_RD:_Siegfried_Fischbacher. Black Kite (talk) 20:40, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    These two examples meet the exception "Individuals who do not have their own article but who have significant coverage on an article about a group (e.g. one member of a musical group) are eligible for a recent deaths entry on a case-by-case basis." What group wikibio does Archie Battersbee belong to? -- PFHLai (talk) 20:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The first sentence on Wikipedia:In the news/Recent deaths is "An individual human, animal or other biological organism that has recently died may have an entry in the recent deaths (RD) section if it has a biographical Wikipedia article ...". Please give us something to read about the subject's life. Right now, the Archie Battersbee case wikipage only has his DoB and his protracted death, nothing on the twelve years in between. Is there anything to write about? For RDs of criminals, at least there would be info on the crimes they committed, and maybe daring escapes, etc. -- PFHLai (talk) 20:44, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Yes, I agree that the "IAR" examples given above are still biographical articles, and this isn't. Good point. Black Kite (talk) 20:47, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    IMO, if there is a section in the nominated wikipage that gives the deceased a biographical sketch that is nicely written and fully referenced prose (not bullet-points!), it may be okay to bend the rules and include it on the RD line. -- PFHLai (talk) 21:01, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Seems the [Charlie Gard https:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/July_2017#%5BPosted_to_RD%5D_RD:_Charlie_Gard case was posted to RD] but Alta Fixsler doesn't have an article. No comment on this nom, just some data points for y'all. Question? Do the UK courts routinely sentence children to death? --LaserLegs (talk) 00:15, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
...That's one hell of a misunderstanding of what happened. It's not sentencing someone to death if they're already dead... --RockstoneSend me a message! 00:21, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
LaserLegs, you're an American, right? This sounds alot like the Terri Schiavo case. Remember that? In neither case did the courts sentence anyone to death. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:43, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Schiavo's husband and legal guardian asked for the feeding tube to be removed in accordance with her wishes. In these cases, the children's primary caregivers - their parents - are being overruled by the courts and the children condemned to death. It's really quite abhorrent, really. Anyway I don't care if we post this or not, I just vaguely recalled a previous time UK courts ordered a child to die and shared the link to how it was handled that time. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:04, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
??? How is it being condemned to death? The children were not alive, their brains had stopped functioning. Crazy take. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 01:07, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Maybe read up on the case before commenting such absurd nonsense. The boy died in May from a catastrophic brain injury. The blood supply to his brain was cut off. His brain and other organs were necrotising.Polyamorph (talk) 06:44, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Laserlegs won't bother with the detail, he'll just see it as a chance to make specious claims against Brits. In the time it's taken me to write this sentence, there's a good chance another kid in Amurica has been shot to death. Pointless posturing. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:26, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see. Thanks Polyamorph (talk) 19:40, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose It might be big in the UK as a human interest story, but it's not news. HiLo48 (talk) 02:31, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • It's overdone in the UK and far from news, nobody wants to hear about it in the slightest. Not a bio so no RD, I am honestly surprised there is an article that merits keeping since there hasn't even been a novel legal approach (let alone a precedent set). Just some parents struggling to accept their kid's death not shutting up about it, coinciding with silly season. Kingsif (talk) 14:36, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak Support RD The event is notable enough to have an article about his death, I feel that merits him appearing on RD. A biography section about the boy would be welcomed, but sadly I don't think there is much that can be said about the life of a 12 y.o. AdrianHObradors (talk) 12:51, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose No legal jurisprudential importance disclosed, and no biographical info either. Bumbubookworm (talk) 13:33, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Even having an article is baffling. Kingsif (talk) 14:36, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose due to a lack of importance. It's suited to DYK instead. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 16:23, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose while desperately sad, it's just been a protracted case with no benefit to anyone. As far as I know it's made little or no difference to UK law, to European law, to anything other than the tragedy of those personally involved. Wouldn't even meet RD criteria as Archie was sadly only know for his death. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:07, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment suggest this is closed down, never getting close to the main page. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:26, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Agree. -- Sca (talk) 19:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. Sad for the family, but it’s an overblown case in the UK media and isn’t blurb-worthy. (I’d question whether the article is encyclopaedic - it is unlikely to pass the WP:10YEARTEST) 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:7555:23F:F48F:BC86 (talk) 19:37, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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(Closed) Escalation in the Gaza strip[edit]

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Article: Operation Breaking Dawn (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Israel launches Operation Breaking Dawn against the PIJ in the Gaza strip. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Israel kills a senior PIJ leader, launching Operation Breaking Dawn against PIJ forces in Gaza
Alternative blurb II: Airstrikes on the Gaza strip kill 44 amidst an Israeli military operation against PIJ forces.
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Al-Monitor
Credits:
  • Oppose Orange-tagged for NPOV issues, discussion on talk page continues. Black Kite (talk) 09:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per Black Kite. It's also part of a larger conflict that has been going on for too many years. Unfortunately, it has become routine. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:18, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose WP:RECENT, future developments unclear. Selfstudier (talk) 11:00, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose - per BK and due to their as yet being no significant development in the overall conflict. Also the idea that airstrikes are against PIJ and not against Gaza is a POV issue in the hook. nableezy - 12:19, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – Added source links: BBC, AP, Guardian, AlJazeera
  • Oppose Comment – Per Alsor. Significance of this particular flareup not apparent in the context of modern history. – Sca (talk) 12:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Reopened after a good-faith close by User:Kiril Simeonovski. Most oppose !votes referred primarily to quality issues which are addressable, and most notability concerns read to me as effectively "wait" !votes because they remarked that it's still too early to understand the notability. I think there is a realistic possibility that consensus could evolve after the issues with the target article are addressed and more information comes out.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 23:40, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Nothing new here. Such incidents are far too frequent to be recorded here. HiLo48 (talk) 02:29, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – Seems to be heating up. BBC, AP, AP, Reuters, DW The Gaza toll put at 31 Sunday by AlJazeera. – Sca (talk) 12:16, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Truce announced [2] --Masem (t) 14:53, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak Support or wait. Notable enough to appear on my Spanish news, but article needs work, would be nice to at least get the POV tag removed before posting. AdrianHObradors (talk)
  • Weak Oppose Truce has been announced now + unfortunately, not much different from the normal situation. The Kip (talk) 16:08, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – Truce due to begin at 20:30. [3] [4] [5]Sca (talk) 19:38, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support on notability (but not quality yet) due to the high death toll. It's significantly higher than it was yesterday. I added an altblurb focusing on the casualties, but I feel like I could've worded it better. Feel free to offer improvements.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 20:30, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And if the death toll is lower tomorrow? These things have been going in cycles for 70 years. HiLo48 (talk) 01:35, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Huh? I was referring to how the total death toll of the this military operation has reached a point where I think it's blurbworthy. Unless people already pronounced dead suddenly take breaths again, the death toll cannot go down. That the Israel-Palestine conflict has been ongoing for so long does not mean that the occasional escalations with very high death tolls are insignificant.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 02:19, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
HiLo48, if the death toll somehow goes lower tomorrow we are talking zombies and that warrants a blurb imo AdrianHObradors (talk) 10:21, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No. We're simply talking about a failure to communicate. Maybe it's a difference between Australian English and whatever your version is. HiLo48 (talk) 11:50, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Official death tolls cannot decrease, as far as I know. It is physically impossible. Not sure what it is about Australian English that might render it otherwise. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 16:34, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – Truce holds, for now. Toll still reported as 44. [6] [7]Sca (talk) 12:43, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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August 5[edit]

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RD: Narender Thapa[edit]

Article: Narender Thapa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Indian footballer. Article has shaped into a start-class biography. Just meets the minimums for homepage / RD. RIP. Ktin (talk) 05:09, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ali Haydar[edit]

Article: Ali Haydar (Syrian army officer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (Syrian Observatory For Human Rights)
Credits:
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Syrian deposed military officer. Article seems good. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:41, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Cherie Gil[edit]

Article: Cherie Gil (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Manila Times CNN Philippines
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filipino actress. Jollibinay (talk) 11:10, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Judith Durham[edit]

Article: Judith Durham (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC, BBC, Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian singer, songwriter and musician who was lead singer of the Australian popular folk music group The Seekers HiLo48 (talk) 08:13, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support Article looks good, it is updated and sourced. AdrianHObradors (talk) 10:29, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support For I know I'll never find another you. Needs some work. Some unsourced paragraphs. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 10:51, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support She was and continues to be very well-known in Australia. Internationally much less so, though as a group The Seekers were quite popular. JMonkey2006 (talk) 11:25, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Article does not look good. More sources are required. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:45, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – Quite widely reported. – Sca (talk) 12:53, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - Issues have been addressed. Good to go. Mjroots (talk) 14:03, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The "The Seekers" section has only one footnote for three paragraphs and that ref is a fan site. The "Solo career" section has a couple of footnote-free paragraphs. In her Discography, the list of EPs has only one item (just one?) and it is unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 14:36, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose In addition to the other issues noted, the discography is largely unsourced. There are only citations for select chart positions, not for the albums without chart positions noted. This is far from ready. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:06, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A false objection. Almost every "disc" is a Wikilink. Sourcing needs to be in those articles, not necessarily in this article. HiLo48 (talk) 22:34, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support, Article is good for a notable person. Alex-h (talk) 16:45, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • About 10 {cn} tags still remains. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 06:57, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) Chinese military exercies around Taiwan[edit]

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Articles: 2022 Chinese military exercises around Taiwan (talk · history · tag) and 2022 visit by Nancy Pelosi to Taiwan (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​China conducts military exercises around Taiwan following Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Nancy Pelosi visits Taiwan and China responds with military exercises around the island
Alternative blurb II: China surrounds and invades Taiwan's territorial waters using military exercises in a notable escalation after Nancy Pelosi's visit.
News source(s): NYT, BBC, Jagran (India), USA Today, WSJ, Bild (Germany), El País (Spain), El Mundo (Spain)
Credits:
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Constantly in the news. Linked sources all have the news on their front page, and have had it for a couple of days. AdrianHObradors (talk) 09:59, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment stop calling it "Nancy Pelosi's trip to Taiwan" it was a total of six exclusively Democrat members of congress who attended via US Airfore transport. We should post this, but the blurb needs to be adjusted. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:11, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I guess you can start with renaming the article then. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  10:16, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    yep --LaserLegs (talk) 10:21, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak Oppose I think this might deserve a blurb, but the military exercises article is being considered for deletion and has problems, and the visit has already been discussed this week and wasn't posted. If it is to be posted, the exercises article should either be improved or merged. echidnaLives (talk) 12:05, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    EchidnaLives the military exercise article was proposed for deletion as it was named before "Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis". It has been moved, but and will probably stay. Still, I agree it should get resolved before the blurb gets posted, and could perhaps still get posted only with Nancy Pelosi's article. AdrianHObradors (talk) 12:18, 5 August 2022 (UTC); edited AdrianHObradors (talk) 12:24, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Military exercises are not that rare (see for example this list). If things escalate and China invades Taiwan, that will surely deserve posting.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:08, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I think the difference is that this one is in direct response of an event, and all around Taiwan. I think if Russia decided to do a military exercise all around Hawaii, it would be news as well. AdrianHObradors (talk) 12:26, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait – So far it's just gunboat diplomacy, 21st century-style. – Sca (talk) 13:03, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose - Military exercises around Taiwan have unfortunately been a fact of life for the better part of the past 30 years. While it has escalated recently, these exercises have in the past waxed and waned. Most news articles are focusing on the outcome of Pelosi's Taiwan visit and only mention military exercises as a sort of follow-up or side article, rather than the main focal attention. If it does become a crisis or standoff, it should be titled as an actual "crisis" and re-nominated. 193.119.98.23 (talk) 13:14, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak support they invaded Taiwan's territorial waters and fired into them, encircling the whole island. This makes it very different to just a normal military exercise, it's the closest you can get to war without one. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:31, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait Still posturing in light of the Pelosi visit. Nothing new here. --Masem (t) 14:20, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose - This isn't a significant development, and the fact that one of the sample blurbs slips the reliable wiki-hooray-word 'notable' in there just shows how much of a reach this is. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:52, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait -- this is in the news, but it's not blurb-worthy, and it may not be. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 20:25, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Nothing notable here. Many countries, including my own, Australia, routinely conduct dick-rattling military exercises in that region. Until we get independent reports from reliable media in countries that aren't involved in such mine-is-bigger-than-yours activities, there is really nothing to report. HiLo48 (talk) 02:30, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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August 4[edit]

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RD: Neil Castles[edit]

Article: Neil Castles (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NASCAR; CBS Sports; Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 01:35, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) Brittney Griner[edit]

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Article: Brittney Griner (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Brittney Griner is sentenced to nine years in prison in Russia for drug possession and smuggling. (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:
Nominator's comments: A major case in Russia involving a well known basketball star in the United States. Andise1 (talk) 15:37, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment: Article not updated with sentencing information. SpencerT•C 15:44, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose I don’t see any extraordinary significance in sentencing a person who was found guilty for smuggling drugs. Many people around the world get punished for committing similar crimes on a daily basis.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:47, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The signficance comes from the fact that she is a US citizen (and a black lesbian) prominently detained in Russia just before its invasion of Ukraine. The potential for her to be used as a political bargaining chip, or treated badly because of her identity as distinct from her alleged offence, is relevant. I don't think the story currently merits ITN, but it would be naive to ignore the context. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose A high profile case sure, but not a particularly noteworthy sentence. Drug smuggling gets punished far worse in countries like Malaysia or Indonesia. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  16:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Other countries' severe punishments are not relevant to this case. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
all im saying is for the crime committed, the punishment isn't particularly severe. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  19:03, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per Kiril and 4iamking. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:04, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Not seeing the lasting significance. Kafoxe (talk) 16:13, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Neutral, leaning Oppose - The significance of this story obviously comes from the context of international tensions between USA and Russia over Ukraine, and it may gain in prominence when more reactions come it. But at present, I don't think it merits posting. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose I suspect that if she had not been notable for her basketball career, we wouldn't even have an article about this case. Black Kite (talk) 18:08, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose thank you for updating the article and attempting this nomination. ITN is only for a small number of highly prominent news events. The conviction is a mere formality, hardly news at all because the outcome was forordaned. Jehochman Talk 19:11, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Barry Downs (architect)[edit]

Article: Barry Downs (architect) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Globe and Mail
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian architect. West coast modern architecture. Death announced in WP:RS on this date. I will work on expanding the article some more. Basic edits done. Rater says B-class, but, I think the article is a base C-class biography. Meets minimums for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 19:42, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD/blurb: Olga Kachura[edit]

Article: Olga Kachura (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Alternative blurb: Olga Kachura, one of the founders of Donetsk People's Republic, is killed by Armed Forces of Ukraine
Alternative blurb II: ​Lieutenant Colonel Olga Kachura is killed after Ukrainian missile strikes her car
News source(s): EuroWeeklyNews, El Mundo (Spain), The Telegraph (UK)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 AdrianHObradors (talk) 15:57, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support but no blurb, war is happening, people die, more at 11 This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 17:20, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support RD only No way an article this short is sufficient to show importance of a person to merit a blurb. But the article is short but otherwise all sourced. --Masem (t) 17:45, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support RD only She was Colonel and Ukrainian separatist. Here a List of Russian generals killed during the 2022 invasion of Ukraine. Nothing special. Grimes2 (talk) 17:55, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comments: Stubby entries are generally frowned upon. This wikibio currently has merely 222 words of prose. Any more stuffs to write about? Perhaps her TV interviews? Her trial and prison sentence in absentia? How she died? The medalaward from Putin? .... Please expand this article. --PFHLai (talk) 18:13, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I'm a bit short on time but if no one updates it I'll try doing it myself. It is true the article is a bit bare bones at the moment. AdrianHObradors (talk) 19:56, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    No rush. This nom still has a few days of eligibility. --PFHLai (talk) 22:23, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    No stub anymore: 1638 characters (275 words) "readable prose size" Grimes2 (talk) 09:53, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    302 words now. Bravo! Clearly out of stub territory. Do any uninvolved editors want to re-review this expanded wikibio. --PFHLai (talk) 11:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose and tagged with {{notability}}. The article is right at our minimum length requirements, but is confusing and incomplete. Worse, she does not appear to be notable or pass WP:BLP1E - the article was only created after she died, and all but one of the sources are post-mortem too. Her death could be covered in a single sentence in one of the articles on the Ukraine war; a separate biography article isn't justified IMO. Modest Genius talk 12:02, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Modest Genius, I have added one more source pre-mortem. And she also got awarded Hero of the Russian Federation. There are not that many, and I would say that alone warrants an article by itself. All your arguments also apply to Natalya Kachuevskaya, who became known for her death. Do you feel that article should be deleted as well? AdrianHObradors (talk) 09:15, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • I tagged the article with {{notability}}, I did not nominate it for deletion. It's possible there are additional Russian- or Ukrainian-language sources which could demonstrate notability. I still don't think the current article passes WP:BLP1E (or WP:BIO1E). Kachuevskaya is irrelevant - she isn't the subject of this ITN nomination, and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Modest Genius talk 10:52, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jack Deloplaine[edit]

Article: Jack Deloplaine (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pittsburgh Post-Gazette; WBOY-TV; Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 08:16, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Johnny Famechon[edit]

Article: Johnny Famechon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https:foxsports.com.au/boxing/incredible-toughness-and-gracious-spirit-aussie-boxing-legend-johnny-famechon-dies-aged-77/news-story/c3f5cd81b5192cf6b55c6f8777a42ed1
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: World featherweight boxing champion from Australia. Article needs a fair bit of work. Let's hope this nomination leads to that happening. HiLo48 (talk) 00:39, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wait as per @HiLo48 says, article needs work. MyriadSims (talk) 18:29, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The top half of this wikipage currently has zero footnotes. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 15:08, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jackie Walorski[edit]

Article: Jackie Walorski (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 20:04, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support -- article is in good shape to post. Rest in peace to all who died in this tragedy. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 20:30, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support, everything looks ready to go. BD2412 T 22:04, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Article looks g2g. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:53, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support 3rd death in the U.S. House this year. Davey2116 (talk) 22:55, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak support the article is fine, but it goes into little depth about her work as a congresswoman in recent years: nothing about her activity in 2021 (when she became the Ranking Member of the House Ethics Committee), nor in 2019, nor 2014. I think a brief reference to something she might have done in those gap years would be interesting. In the "U.S. House of Representatives" section, there is no prose about the last elections (although they are mentioned as tables further down the article) and there are tags that need to be fixed. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:35, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment -- Can an admin please post this? It's been more than 12 hours. Thanks! -- RockstoneSend me a message! 08:42, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Article is not ready. There’s an orange-tagged subsection. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:22, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Orange tagged section is minor and easily fixed. Rest of the article is fine, more or less. Curbon7 (talk) 13:41, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment I dislike how committee info is entered on US House bios. She wasn't serving on those listed committees; they were likely her initial assignments in 2013. So, I took them out and added some sourced prose on her tenure on the Veterans Affairs committee and sourcing her being a ranking member on committees. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:09, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Looks ready now. Thank you Muboshgu! Kafoxe (talk) 16:14, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted. Black Kite (talk) 18:11, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 2[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections


(Posted) RD: Melissa Bank[edit]

Article: Melissa Bank (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; The Washington Post; Associated Press; The Times of Israel
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 07:59, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Alastair Little[edit]

Article: Alastair Little (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Evening Standard, Eater London (imagine there will be a few more tomorrow)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British chef, extremely influential on british food culture, and particularly the London restaurant scene. Article could do with an image (+ a lil citation cleanup maybe, I added a few) but is detailed + contains details of his death. Petsquirrel (talk) 21:29, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support, this seems strong enough. BD2412 T 22:05, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • There are a handful of {cn} and {better source needed} tags that should be addressed before this nom can proceed. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 23:39, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted. {cn} tags now gone. --PFHLai (talk) 14:39, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Vin Scully[edit]

Article: Vin Scully (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN, Los Angeles Times (via Twitter)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Legendary baseball broadcaster. The Kip (talk) 03:43, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: David Bawden[edit]

Article: David Bawden (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Funeral home obituary, The Lamp
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The article is quite brief, but everything in it is sourced. gnu57 02:37, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Comment: Article is a bit messy, death is not mentioned. And "antipope" should be changed to "conclavist antipope" in any case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdrianHObradors (talkcontribs) 09:16, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Strong oppose I am aware of the guideline that notability is not to be debated as long as there is an article, but this person doesn't even have any notable professional achievements (or being notorious as a criminal). He was a random layperson with no religious training who dressed up and got a few family members to vote him in as pope. It's not like there were a bunch of actual clerics who broke away. All the coverage is based on a gimmick Bumbubookworm|Bumbubookworm]] (talk) 02:25, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Bumbubookworm Personally I agree with you, but he somehow managed to end with a documentary made about him and the Wikipedia page. If the page isn't discussed for deletion, then it fits the criteria for RD. AdrianHObradors (talk) 23:21, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The problem that I see is not what makes him notable. We have people who are famous for being famous and they can be RD. But, this is In the News. Is this in the news? I don't see any RS covering this. Is his funeral home enough to post on? – Muboshgu (talk) 03:44, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) US congressional delegation to Taiwan[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Nancy Pelosi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​House Speaker of the United States, Nancy Pelosi visits Taiwan, becoming the first government official in 25 years to visit the country, straining relations between China and the United States. (Post)
News source(s): NY Times (paywalled), AP, Guardian, France24 (AFP), AlJazeera, CNN
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Significant development in China, Taiwan, and the United States relations. Interstellarity (talk) 15:21, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment I want to support this as significant, but where is the update? China-US relations? --LaserLegs (talk) 15:30, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    ...because that article is a mess --LaserLegs (talk) 15:35, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak Oppose - This is basically the opposite effect of Nixon in China. But the diplomatic and political intrigue might not be measurable enough from a standpoint of notability. It might be more notable if the delegation was led by the President of the United States, or if it were associated the passage of a specific treaty.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 15:37, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose while the visit is stressing US / China / Taiwan relations, it is currently only posturing. There may be potential for a larger story (China has forces on the border for some military action) but until that happens, this is just a diplomatic visit. Masem (t) 15:39, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose, unless a significant incident actually happens, this is just saber rattling on both sides. Morgan695 (talk) 15:41, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Or rhetoric-rattling, perhaps. – Sca (talk) 15:55, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait... to see if anything of significance comes from this much-ballyhooed piece of political theater. – Sca (talk) 15:44, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose unless there's a major reaction from China. The proposed blurb is misleading: Pelosi is not a member of the US government - she's a legislator with no executive power. Even if she was, merely visiting and giving a speech isn't significant enough. If anything changes in Taiwan's relationship with China, that would be important. But a mere visit by a politician from a friendly nation isn't enough. Modest Genius talk 15:57, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The United States Congress is very mucha member of the US government. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:29, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose it's not really clear that relations are strained or that Pelosi's visit is significant as yet. Yes, it is in the news, but I oppose the current blurb and descriptive theme Andrevan@ 16:00, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose - its a visit by a lone congressperson (sure in the line of succession but still has no say on US policy wrt China or Taiwan). nableezy - 16:02, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak support Per LaserLegs. It is significant enough though to be on the front page of Spanish newspaper El Mundo, with an update sayingChina sends a destroyer off the coast of Taiwan in view of Pelosi's visit. (Translation from ) --AdrianHObradors (talk) 16:10, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose - Unless anything significant happens, the rest is just sabre rattling, at any rate this is premature and not different from any other diplomatic event affecting relations between two countries. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  16:17, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • CommentGuardian update says Pelosi vows to "stand by Taiwan," and makes statements against "autocracy." Reuters quotes her pledging "solidarity with the 23 million people of Taiwan." – Sca (talk) 16:43, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Oh okay, I've changed my mind. Super strong support based on this earth-shattering revelation.</s> 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 17:12, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose No US or China policy change, just another junket. Selfstudier (talk) 16:53, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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