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This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS. Archives of past nominations can be found here.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.

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    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting.
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(Closed) RD/Blurb: Archie Battersbee case[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Archie Battersbee case (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: 12-year-old Archie Battersbee dies when his life support is withdrawn following a protracted legal case in England (Post)
News source(s): https:bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-62346354
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Significant legal case; UN involvement; significant press coverage in UK & overseas Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:58, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Stub, but notable. Grimes2 (talk) 14:02, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose blurb as unimportant. Oppose blurb or RD on quality grounds. In terms of a blurb, this is a human interest story hyped by British media, but objectively unimportant; lethal accidents of children and legal disputes about keeping comatose patients alive are relatively frequent. Even as a RD entry, the article is a mess and not ready for the main page. There is very little prose, all in the lead. The rest is WP:PROSELINE bullet points and a table of court decisions without context. Sandstein 14:42, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose in general, this doesn't appear to be a case with long-term repurcussions. But I will stress the Oppose on quality - an article that is basically a timeline rather than a discussion of the issues around this isn't going to be sufficient for main page (and the fact that hasn't been done here suggests that this doesnt have the impact suggested). --Masem (t) 14:41, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment To begin with, if it’s a stub it cannot be supported: the quality of the article is something fundamental for it to be included on the Main Page. And this one is far from being in good condition. The RS, moreover, do not consider it as a landmark decision, so it may seem that the impact and the notability of the case is rather mediatic than legal, juridical and medical. And it should be noted that the UN intervention is at the request of the family, not by the decision of the organization itself. I have my doubts that it is ITNR-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:44, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
An improved version is maybe candidate for RD. Grimes2 (talk) 14:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, sure. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:50, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on notability. Can only find it as main story on British publications and tabloids and doesn't seem to have any major repercussions - nowhere on AP and CNN International, hidden on NYT World, not the top story on BBC Global, and so forth. DatGuyTalkContribs 14:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose blurb ... as lacking case-law significance. RD subject to quality/length standards. – Sca (talk) 14:58, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose, For lack of notability. Alex-h (talk) 15:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on all fronts. Dreadful article. Barely notable for inclusion on Wikipedia as it is, honestly. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 17:07, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose I don't think this would work as a RD as there is little biographical information, for obvious reasons. As a blurb, the article would have to be completely re-written to replace the timeline with conventional prose. Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:17, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. Interesting story, but not for ITN. I'd suggest DYK. --RockstoneSend me a message! 17:20, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support for RD. Appears to be getting significant coverage internationally, including an article in the New York Times: [1] Thriley (talk) 17:28, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose an isolated death. Polyamorph (talk) 17:30, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • It's clear that the consensus for now is against blurb. I change the nomination format. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:50, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Oppose RD as well, the child doesn't have an independent biography. Polyamorph (talk) 19:02, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    This is not necessarily a requirement in a case like this. The child would never have an independent bio but his death here can be well documented to be an RD. (But there needs to be improvements still on the article) Masem (t) 19:16, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Technically the boy died in May (according to the judiciary report). An independent article would mean this would pass the notability test for an RD automatically, I don't think that is the case here. The case is making the news but I don't think it should be ITN or RD. Polyamorph (talk) 19:26, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Blurb on notability and Oppose RD due to the article being about the case rather then the child who was the centre of it. This just isn't notable enough for a global encyclopaedia and most folks over here in the UK have bigger things to worry about, such as which Eton Psycho will be our next PM and the impending recession. --SinoDevonian (talk) 19:55, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Problem: RD requires a biographical Wikipedia article. However, the nominated article Archie Battersbee case is not a biography of the deceased a 12-year-old child. It does not qualify for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 20:21, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    That's not true. Having a standalone bio article is sufficient for RD posting, but RD postings are not limited to those with biographical articles - just that those without biographical articles should still be reviewed as a normal ITNC that is otherwise targetted for RD posting. (Eg: I am pretty sure we have had RDs of criminals that are well identified on the page about the crime they did but lack a standalone article) Masem (t) 20:24, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Examples: Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/May_2017#(Posted_as_RD)_Ian_Brady_dies_at_79, Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/January_2021#(Posted)_RD:_Siegfried_Fischbacher. Black Kite (talk) 20:40, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    These two examples meet the exception "Individuals who do not have their own article but who have significant coverage on an article about a group (e.g. one member of a musical group) are eligible for a recent deaths entry on a case-by-case basis." What group wikibio does Archie Battersbee belong to? -- PFHLai (talk) 20:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The first sentence on Wikipedia:In the news/Recent deaths is "An individual human, animal or other biological organism that has recently died may have an entry in the recent deaths (RD) section if it has a biographical Wikipedia article ...". Please give us something to read about the subject's life. Right now, the Archie Battersbee case wikipage only has his DoB and his protracted death, nothing on the twelve years in between. Is there anything to write about? For RDs of criminals, at least there would be info on the crimes they committed, and maybe daring escapes, etc. -- PFHLai (talk) 20:44, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Yes, I agree that the "IAR" examples given above are still biographical articles, and this isn't. Good point. Black Kite (talk) 20:47, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    IMO, if there is a section in the nominated wikipage that gives the deceased a biographical sketch that is nicely written and fully referenced prose (not bullet-points!), it may be okay to bend the rules and include it on the RD line. -- PFHLai (talk) 21:01, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Seems the [Charlie Gard https:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/July_2017#%5BPosted_to_RD%5D_RD:_Charlie_Gard case was posted to RD] but Alta Fixsler doesn't have an article. No comment on this nom, just some data points for y'all. Question? Do the UK courts routinely sentence children to death? --LaserLegs (talk) 00:15, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
...That's one hell of a misunderstanding of what happened. It's not sentencing someone to death if they're already dead... --RockstoneSend me a message! 00:21, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
LaserLegs, you're an American, right? This sounds alot like the Terri Schiavo case. Remember that? In neither case did the courts sentence anyone to death. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:43, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Schiavo's husband and legal guardian asked for the feeding tube to be removed in accordance with her wishes. In these cases, the children's primary caregivers - their parents - are being overruled by the courts and the children condemned to death. It's really quite abhorrent, really. Anyway I don't care if we post this or not, I just vaguely recalled a previous time UK courts ordered a child to die and shared the link to how it was handled that time. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:04, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
??? How is it being condemned to death? The children were not alive, their brains had stopped functioning. Crazy take. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 01:07, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Maybe read up on the case before commenting such absurd nonsense. The boy died in May from a catastrophic brain injury. The blood supply to his brain was cut off. His brain and other organs were necrotising.Polyamorph (talk) 06:44, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Laserlegs won't bother with the detail, he'll just see it as a chance to make specious claims against Brits. In the time it's taken me to write this sentence, there's a good chance another kid in Amurica has been shot to death. Pointless posturing. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:26, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see. Thanks Polyamorph (talk) 19:40, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose It might be big in the UK as a human interest story, but it's not news. HiLo48 (talk) 02:31, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • It's overdone in the UK and far from news, nobody wants to hear about it in the slightest. Not a bio so no RD, I am honestly surprised there is an article that merits keeping since there hasn't even been a novel legal approach (let alone a precedent set). Just some parents struggling to accept their kid's death not shutting up about it, coinciding with silly season. Kingsif (talk) 14:36, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak Support RD The event is notable enough to have an article about his death, I feel that merits him appearing on RD. A biography section about the boy would be welcomed, but sadly I don't think there is much that can be said about the life of a 12 y.o. AdrianHObradors (talk) 12:51, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose No legal jurisprudential importance disclosed, and no biographical info either. Bumbubookworm (talk) 13:33, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Even having an article is baffling. Kingsif (talk) 14:36, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose due to a lack of importance. It's suited to DYK instead. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 16:23, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose while desperately sad, it's just been a protracted case with no benefit to anyone. As far as I know it's made little or no difference to UK law, to European law, to anything other than the tragedy of those personally involved. Wouldn't even meet RD criteria as Archie was sadly only know for his death. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:07, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment suggest this is closed down, never getting close to the main page. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:26, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Agree. -- Sca (talk) 19:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. Sad for the family, but it’s an overblown case in the UK media and isn’t blurb-worthy. (I’d question whether the article is encyclopaedic - it is unlikely to pass the WP:10YEARTEST) 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:7555:23F:F48F:BC86 (talk) 19:37, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Escalation in the Gaza strip[edit]

Article: Operation Breaking Dawn (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Israel launches Operation Breaking Dawn against the PIJ in the Gaza strip. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Israel kills a senior PIJ leader, launching Operation Breaking Dawn against PIJ forces in Gaza
Alternative blurb II: Airstrikes on the Gaza strip kill 44 amidst an Israeli military operation against PIJ forces.
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Al-Monitor
Credits:
  • Oppose Orange-tagged for NPOV issues, discussion on talk page continues. Black Kite (talk) 09:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per Black Kite. It's also part of a larger conflict that has been going on for too many years. Unfortunately, it has become routine. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:18, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose WP:RECENT, future developments unclear. Selfstudier (talk) 11:00, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose - per BK and due to their as yet being no significant development in the overall conflict. Also the idea that airstrikes are against PIJ and not against Gaza is a POV issue in the hook. nableezy - 12:19, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – Added source links: BBC, AP, Guardian, AlJazeera
  • Oppose Comment – Per Alsor. Significance of this particular flareup not apparent in the context of modern history. – Sca (talk) 12:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Reopened after a good-faith close by User:Kiril Simeonovski. Most oppose !votes referred primarily to quality issues which are addressable, and most notability concerns read to me as effectively "wait" !votes because they remarked that it's still too early to understand the notability. I think there is a realistic possibility that consensus could evolve after the issues with the target article are addressed and more information comes out.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 23:40, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Nothing new here. Such incidents are far too frequent to be recorded here. HiLo48 (talk) 02:29, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – Seems to be heating up. BBC, AP, AP, Reuters, DW The Gaza toll put at 31 Sunday by AlJazeera. – Sca (talk) 12:16, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Truce announced [2] --Masem (t) 14:53, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak Support or wait. Notable enough to appear on my Spanish news, but article needs work, would be nice to at least get the POV tag removed before posting. AdrianHObradors (talk)
  • Weak Oppose Truce has been announced now + unfortunately, not much different from the normal situation. The Kip (talk) 16:08, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – Truce due to begin at 20:30. [3] [4] [5]Sca (talk) 19:38, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support on notability (but not quality yet) due to the high death toll. It's significantly higher than it was yesterday. I added an altblurb focusing on the casualties, but I feel like I could've worded it better. Feel free to offer improvements.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 20:30, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 5[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Politics and elections


RD: Narender Thapa[edit]

Article: Narender Thapa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian footballer. Article has shaped into a start-class biography. Just meets the minimums for homepage / RD. RIP. Ktin (talk) 05:09, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Ali Haydar[edit]

Article: Ali Haydar (Syrian army officer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (Syrian Observatory For Human Rights)
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Syrian deposed military officer. Article seems good. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:41, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Cherie Gil[edit]

Article: Cherie Gil (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Manila Times CNN Philippines
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filipino actress. Jollibinay (talk) 11:10, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Judith Durham[edit]

Article: Judith Durham (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC, BBC, Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian singer, songwriter and musician who was lead singer of the Australian popular folk music group The Seekers HiLo48 (talk) 08:13, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support Article looks good, it is updated and sourced. AdrianHObradors (talk) 10:29, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support For I know I'll never find another you. Needs some work. Some unsourced paragraphs. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 10:51, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support She was and continues to be very well-known in Australia. Internationally much less so, though as a group The Seekers were quite popular. JMonkey2006 (talk) 11:25, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Article does not look good. More sources are required. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:45, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – Quite widely reported. – Sca (talk) 12:53, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - Issues have been addressed. Good to go. Mjroots (talk) 14:03, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The "The Seekers" section has only one footnote for three paragraphs and that ref is a fan site. The "Solo career" section has a couple of footnote-free paragraphs. In her Discography, the list of EPs has only one item (just one?) and it is unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 14:36, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose In addition to the other issues noted, the discography is largely unsourced. There are only citations for select chart positions, not for the albums without chart positions noted. This is far from ready. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:06, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A false objection. Almost every issue is a Wikilink. Sourcing needs to be in those articles, not necessarily in this article. HiLo48 (talk) 22:34, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) Chinese military exercies around Taiwan[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Articles: 2022 Chinese military exercises around Taiwan (talk · history · tag) and 2022 visit by Nancy Pelosi to Taiwan (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​China conducts military exercises around Taiwan following Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Nancy Pelosi visits Taiwan and China responds with military exercises around the island
Alternative blurb II: China surrounds and invades Taiwan's territorial waters using military exercises in a notable escalation after Nancy Pelosi's visit.
News source(s): NYT, BBC, Jagran (India), USA Today, WSJ, Bild (Germany), El País (Spain), El Mundo (Spain)
Credits:
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Constantly in the news. Linked sources all have the news on their front page, and have had it for a couple of days. AdrianHObradors (talk) 09:59, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment stop calling it "Nancy Pelosi's trip to Taiwan" it was a total of six exclusively Democrat members of congress who attended via US Airfore transport. We should post this, but the blurb needs to be adjusted. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:11, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I guess you can start with renaming the article then. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  10:16, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    yep --LaserLegs (talk) 10:21, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak Oppose I think this might deserve a blurb, but the military exercises article is being considered for deletion and has problems, and the visit has already been discussed this week and wasn't posted. If it is to be posted, the exercises article should either be improved or merged. echidnaLives (talk) 12:05, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    EchidnaLives the military exercise article was proposed for deletion as it was named before "Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis". It has been moved, but and will probably stay. Still, I agree it should get resolved before the blurb gets posted, and could perhaps still get posted only with Nancy Pelosi's article. AdrianHObradors (talk) 12:18, 5 August 2022 (UTC); edited AdrianHObradors (talk) 12:24, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Military exercises are not that rare (see for example this list). If things escalate and China invades Taiwan, that will surely deserve posting.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:08, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I think the difference is that this one is in direct response of an event, and all around Taiwan. I think if Russia decided to do a military exercise all around Hawaii, it would be news as well. AdrianHObradors (talk) 12:26, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait – So far it's just gunboat diplomacy, 21st century-style. – Sca (talk) 13:03, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose - Military exercises around Taiwan have unfortunately been a fact of life for the better part of the past 30 years. While it has escalated recently, these exercises have in the past waxed and waned. Most news articles are focusing on the outcome of Pelosi's Taiwan visit and only mention military exercises as a sort of follow-up or side article, rather than the main focal attention. If it does become a crisis or standoff, it should be titled as an actual "crisis" and re-nominated. 193.119.98.23 (talk) 13:14, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak support they invaded Taiwan's territorial waters and fired into them, encircling the whole island. This makes it very different to just a normal military exercise, it's the closest you can get to war without one. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:31, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait Still posturing in light of the Pelosi visit. Nothing new here. --Masem (t) 14:20, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose - This isn't a significant development, and the fact that one of the sample blurbs slips the reliable wiki-hooray-word 'notable' in there just shows how much of a reach this is. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:52, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait -- this is in the news, but it's not blurb-worthy, and it may not be. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 20:25, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Nothing notable here. Many countries, including my own, Australia, routinely conduct dick-rattling military exercises in that region. Until we get independent reports from reliable media in countries that aren't involved in such mine-is-bigger-than-yours activities, there is really nothing to report. HiLo48 (talk) 02:30, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

August 4[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations


(Closed) Brittney Griner[edit]

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Article: Brittney Griner (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Brittney Griner is sentenced to nine years in prison in Russia for drug possession and smuggling. (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:
Nominator's comments: A major case in Russia involving a well known basketball star in the United States. Andise1 (talk) 15:37, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment: Article not updated with sentencing information. SpencerT•C 15:44, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose I don’t see any extraordinary significance in sentencing a person who was found guilty for smuggling drugs. Many people around the world get punished for committing similar crimes on a daily basis.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:47, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The signficance comes from the fact that she is a US citizen (and a black lesbian) prominently detained in Russia just before its invasion of Ukraine. The potential for her to be used as a political bargaining chip, or treated badly because of her identity as distinct from her alleged offence, is relevant. I don't think the story currently merits ITN, but it would be naive to ignore the context. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose A high profile case sure, but not a particularly noteworthy sentence. Drug smuggling gets punished far worse in countries like Malaysia or Indonesia. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  16:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Other countries' severe punishments are not relevant to this case. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
all im saying is for the crime committed, the punishment isn't particularly severe. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  19:03, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per Kiril and 4iamking. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:04, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Not seeing the lasting significance. Kafoxe (talk) 16:13, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Neutral, leaning Oppose - The significance of this story obviously comes from the context of international tensions between USA and Russia over Ukraine, and it may gain in prominence when more reactions come it. But at present, I don't think it merits posting. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose I suspect that if she had not been notable for her basketball career, we wouldn't even have an article about this case. Black Kite (talk) 18:08, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose thank you for updating the article and attempting this nomination. ITN is only for a small number of highly prominent news events. The conviction is a mere formality, hardly news at all because the outcome was forordaned. Jehochman Talk 19:11, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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RD: Barry Downs (architect)[edit]

Article: Barry Downs (architect) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Globe and Mail
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Canadian architect. West coast modern architecture. Death announced in WP:RS on this date. I will work on expanding the article some more. Basic edits done. Rater says B-class, but, I think the article is a base C-class biography. Meets minimums for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 19:42, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • This brand new article is long enough to qualify (480 words of prose). Coverage of the subject's life seems fine. There are footnotes at expected spots. No glaring formatting issues. And, Earwig could find nothing to complain about. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 21:24, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD/blurb: Olga Kachura[edit]

Article: Olga Kachura (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Alternative blurb: Olga Kachura, one of the founders of Donetsk People's Republic, is killed by Armed Forces of Ukraine
Alternative blurb II: ​Lieutenant Colonel Olga Kachura is killed after Ukrainian missile strikes her car
News source(s): EuroWeeklyNews, El Mundo (Spain), The Telegraph (UK)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 AdrianHObradors (talk) 15:57, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support but no blurb, war is happening, people die, more at 11 This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 17:20, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support RD only No way an article this short is sufficient to show importance of a person to merit a blurb. But the article is short but otherwise all sourced. --Masem (t) 17:45, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support RD only She was Colonel and Ukrainian separatist. Here a List of Russian generals killed during the 2022 invasion of Ukraine. Nothing special. Grimes2 (talk) 17:55, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comments: Stubby entries are generally frowned upon. This wikibio currently has merely 222 words of prose. Any more stuffs to write about? Perhaps her TV interviews? Her trial and prison sentence in absentia? How she died? The medalaward from Putin? .... Please expand this article. --PFHLai (talk) 18:13, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I'm a bit short on time but if no one updates it I'll try doing it myself. It is true the article is a bit bare bones at the moment. AdrianHObradors (talk) 19:56, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    No rush. This nom still has a few days of eligibility. --PFHLai (talk) 22:23, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    No stub anymore: 1638 characters (275 words) "readable prose size" Grimes2 (talk) 09:53, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    302 words now. Bravo! Clearly out of stub territory. Do any uninvolved editors want to re-review this expanded wikibio. --PFHLai (talk) 11:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jack Deloplaine[edit]

Article: Jack Deloplaine (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pittsburgh Post-Gazette; WBOY-TV; Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 08:16, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Johnny Famechon[edit]

Article: Johnny Famechon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https:foxsports.com.au/boxing/incredible-toughness-and-gracious-spirit-aussie-boxing-legend-johnny-famechon-dies-aged-77/news-story/c3f5cd81b5192cf6b55c6f8777a42ed1
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: World featherweight boxing champion from Australia. Article needs a fair bit of work. Let's hope this nomination leads to that happening. HiLo48 (talk) 00:39, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wait as per @HiLo48 says, article needs work. MyriadSims (talk) 18:29, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The top half of this wikipage currently has zero footnotes. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 15:08, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jackie Walorski[edit]

Article: Jackie Walorski (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 20:04, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support -- article is in good shape to post. Rest in peace to all who died in this tragedy. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 20:30, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support, everything looks ready to go. BD2412 T 22:04, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Article looks g2g. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:53, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support 3rd death in the U.S. House this year. Davey2116 (talk) 22:55, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak support the article is fine, but it goes into little depth about her work as a congresswoman in recent years: nothing about her activity in 2021 (when she became the Ranking Member of the House Ethics Committee), nor in 2019, nor 2014. I think a brief reference to something she might have done in those gap years would be interesting. In the "U.S. House of Representatives" section, there is no prose about the last elections (although they are mentioned as tables further down the article) and there are tags that need to be fixed. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:35, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment -- Can an admin please post this? It's been more than 12 hours. Thanks! -- RockstoneSend me a message! 08:42, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Article is not ready. There’s an orange-tagged subsection. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:22, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Orange tagged section is minor and easily fixed. Rest of the article is fine, more or less. Curbon7 (talk) 13:41, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment I dislike how committee info is entered on US House bios. She wasn't serving on those listed committees; they were likely her initial assignments in 2013. So, I took them out and added some sourced prose on her tenure on the Veterans Affairs committee and sourcing her being a ranking member on committees. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:09, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Looks ready now. Thank you Muboshgu! Kafoxe (talk) 16:14, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted. Black Kite (talk) 18:11, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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RD: Melissa Bank[edit]

Article: Melissa Bank (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; The Washington Post; Associated Press; The Times of Israel
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 07:59, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Alastair Little[edit]

Article: Alastair Little (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Evening Standard, Eater London (imagine there will be a few more tomorrow)
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British chef, extremely influential on british food culture, and particularly the London restaurant scene. Article could do with an image (+ a lil citation cleanup maybe, I added a few) but is detailed + contains details of his death. Petsquirrel (talk) 21:29, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support, this seems strong enough. BD2412 T 22:05, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • There are a handful of {cn} and {better source needed} tags that should be addressed before this nom can proceed. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 23:39, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted. {cn} tags now gone. --PFHLai (talk) 14:39, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Vin Scully[edit]

Article: Vin Scully (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN, Los Angeles Times (via Twitter)
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Legendary baseball broadcaster. The Kip (talk) 03:43, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: David Bawden[edit]

Article: David Bawden (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Funeral home obituary, The Lamp
Credits:
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The article is quite brief, but everything in it is sourced. gnu57 02:37, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Comment: Article is a bit messy, death is not mentioned. And "antipope" should be changed to "conclavist antipope" in any case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdrianHObradors (talkcontribs) 09:16, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Strong oppose I am aware of the guideline that notability is not to be debated as long as there is an article, but this person doesn't even have any notable professional achievements (or being notorious as a criminal). He was a random layperson with no religious training who dressed up and got a few family members to vote him in as pope. It's not like there were a bunch of actual clerics who broke away. All the coverage is based on a gimmick Bumbubookworm|Bumbubookworm]] (talk) 02:25, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Bumbubookworm Personally I agree with you, but he somehow managed to end with a documentary made about him and the Wikipedia page. If the page isn't discussed for deletion, then it fits the criteria for RD. AdrianHObradors (talk) 23:21, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The problem that I see is not what makes him notable. We have people who are famous for being famous and they can be RD. But, this is In the News. Is this in the news? I don't see any RS covering this. Is his funeral home enough to post on? – Muboshgu (talk) 03:44, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) US congressional delegation to Taiwan[edit]

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Article: Nancy Pelosi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​House Speaker of the United States, Nancy Pelosi visits Taiwan, becoming the first government official in 25 years to visit the country, straining relations between China and the United States. (Post)
News source(s): NY Times (paywalled), AP, Guardian, France24 (AFP), AlJazeera, CNN
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Significant development in China, Taiwan, and the United States relations. Interstellarity (talk) 15:21, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment I want to support this as significant, but where is the update? China-US relations? --LaserLegs (talk) 15:30, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    ...because that article is a mess --LaserLegs (talk) 15:35, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak Oppose - This is basically the opposite effect of Nixon in China. But the diplomatic and political intrigue might not be measurable enough from a standpoint of notability. It might be more notable if the delegation was led by the President of the United States, or if it were associated the passage of a specific treaty.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 15:37, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose while the visit is stressing US / China / Taiwan relations, it is currently only posturing. There may be potential for a larger story (China has forces on the border for some military action) but until that happens, this is just a diplomatic visit. Masem (t) 15:39, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose, unless a significant incident actually happens, this is just saber rattling on both sides. Morgan695 (talk) 15:41, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Or rhetoric-rattling, perhaps. – Sca (talk) 15:55, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait... to see if anything of significance comes from this much-ballyhooed piece of political theater. – Sca (talk) 15:44, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose unless there's a major reaction from China. The proposed blurb is misleading: Pelosi is not a member of the US government - she's a legislator with no executive power. Even if she was, merely visiting and giving a speech isn't significant enough. If anything changes in Taiwan's relationship with China, that would be important. But a mere visit by a politician from a friendly nation isn't enough. Modest Genius talk 15:57, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The United States Congress is very mucha member of the US government. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:29, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose it's not really clear that relations are strained or that Pelosi's visit is significant as yet. Yes, it is in the news, but I oppose the current blurb and descriptive theme Andrevan@ 16:00, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose - its a visit by a lone congressperson (sure in the line of succession but still has no say on US policy wrt China or Taiwan). nableezy - 16:02, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak support Per LaserLegs. It is significant enough though to be on the front page of Spanish newspaper El Mundo, with an update sayingChina sends a destroyer off the coast of Taiwan in view of Pelosi's visit. (Translation from ) --AdrianHObradors (talk) 16:10, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose - Unless anything significant happens, the rest is just sabre rattling, at any rate this is premature and not different from any other diplomatic event affecting relations between two countries. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  16:17, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • CommentGuardian update says Pelosi vows to "stand by Taiwan," and makes statements against "autocracy." Reuters quotes her pledging "solidarity with the 23 million people of Taiwan." – Sca (talk) 16:43, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Oh okay, I've changed my mind. Super strong support based on this earth-shattering revelation.</s> 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 17:12, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose No US or China policy change, just another junket. Selfstudier (talk) 16:53, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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  • A post made by the VK social media account of Dmitry Medvedev, the incumbent Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of Russia and former President of Russia, refers to Georgia and Kazakhstan as "artificial" creations and advocates the return of the two countries to Russian sovereignty. The post is quickly taken down and attributed to hackers. (RFE/RL)

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(Posted) RD: Robert E. Simanek[edit]

Article: Robert E. Simanek (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post; Legacy.com
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 21:05, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lars Tate[edit]

Article: Lars Tate (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Atlanta Journal-Constitution; Associated Press; Athens Banner-Herald
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 07:19, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Tom Cornell[edit]

Article: Tom Cornell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Northwest Catholic
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: American Catholic Worker. Former associate editor of the Catholic Worker newspaper. Thriley (talk) 04:24, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • The "Catholic Worker" and "Writings" sections each has only a single sentence. More info is in order. --PFHLai (talk) 20:11, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Anastasiya Kobzarenko[edit]

Article: Anastasiya Kobzarenko (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): National Library of Ukraine for Children
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Ukrainian librarian, 88. I can't read anything of the sources, but it looks solid to me, from the start in 2020. Original creator retired a few months ago, so can't help. A sentence about her death is missing, but I need to go. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:47, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment- Article does not show the cause of death. Alex-h (talk) 15:29, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

because we don't know, but at age 88, perhaps no surprise. The sentence about her death is there now. Can't find a place of death. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:10, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
adding: this woman did miracles for libraries of children, making the buildings pieces of art, see here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:35, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Joseph A. Doorley Jr.[edit]

Article: Joseph A. Doorley Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Go Local Providence
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Article has been updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:31, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted as blurb) RD/Blurb: Ayman al-Zawahiri[edit]

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Article: Ayman al-Zawahiri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: The leader of Al-Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri (pictured), is killed by a U.S. drone strike. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​A U.S. drone strike kills the leader of Al-Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri (pictured).
Alternative blurb II: Ayman al-Zawahiri (pictured), leader of Al-Qaeda, dies in a U.S. drone strike in Kabul, Afghanistan.
News source(s): Fox, WaPo, AP, BBC, AlJazeera
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Updates to follow. TJMSmith (talk) 21:45, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support blurb There are several sections which have citation needed tags, but I expect this to be resolved very quickly. I'm unsure about a blurb though. MarioJump83 (talk) 22:18, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Supporting a blurb, this is a VERY significant news. MarioJump83 (talk) 01:00, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb pending page improvements. This is a story we should blurb! This isn't "old man dies", this is a military operation taking out a top terrorist. He's been wanted since 9/11. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:30, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb Per above. He's the leader of al-Qaeda. This is quite significant. GWA88 (talk) 22:33, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb As other editors have commented, al-Zawahiri leads al-Qaeda, the role in which he had succeeded Osama bin Laden, perhaps the world's most famous terrorist leader. Especially given that widespread expectations had been for him to be hiding in Pakistan, there is no longer a U.S. military presence in Afghanistan, and there is no clear successor to al-Zawahiri, creating the possibility of a split in the group. I mean, if England defeating Germany in the Euro is considered relevant enough for ITN, there is no reason this shouldn't be.Augusthorsesdroppings10 (talk) 22:42, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Strong Support: This is a major development and though we are not a news site, this one in particular warrants categorization as an event and not a mere death. BOTTO (TC) 22:45, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb—Not only was he the longtime leader of al-Qaeda following Osama's death, but he was actually the brains of the organization even back when he was his predecessor's right-hand man. He was one of the main masterminds behind numerous al-Qaeda operations, including the 9/11 attacks. He merits a full blurb. Kurtis (talk) 23:08, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Added proposed blurb -- RockstoneSend me a message! 23:23, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Al Qaida hasn’t carried out a successful terrorist attack, or posed a threat to US national security, in years if not a decade-plus. ( Timeline of al-Qaeda attacks ) Joe Biden claimed he would cease US military operations in Afghanistan. 23:31, 1 August 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:4C09:2403:9138:C38E:53FA:7544 (talk)
Support blurb The September 11 attacks perpetrated by Al Qaeda and planned by al-Zawahiri had a significant impact on US foreign policy and global geopolitics in the 21st century. This drone strike is a significant event. Geopony (talk) 23:55, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
offtopic
I’m being completely objective & NPOV in saying that Al Qaida hasn’t carried out a successful terror attack in years, and hence this is not sufficiently notable for a blurb. Just look at the Al Qaida timeline I linked to.
In contrast, Joe Biden, with his 37% public approval rating, is desperate anything resembling a win to save his party in the midterms. That’s why he’s making this out to be a bigger deal than it actually is. 23:40, 1 August 2022 (UTC) 2601:642:4C09:2403:9138:C38E:53FA:7544 (talk) 23:40, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment death section is orange tagged for expansion which is silly but the video messages section is unrefrenced and needs to be fixed. --23:48, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
  • Support blurb Terrorist mastermind and internationally wanted for the past two decades. I’d say this qualifies. The Kip (talk) 23:55, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb mayor development and dead of biggest terrorist since Abu Bakir of Islamic state. Shadow4dark (talk) 23:59, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Age and nationality rightly overshadowed by cause and effect. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:15, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb If the killing of one of the world's most wanted terrorist (not to mention he was leader of Al-Qaeda), doesn't warrent a blurb, what does? DJMcNiff (talk) 00:25, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Should we make sure this is a claim on the US's part? I'm not seeing confirmation from those on the ground so right now its the US Military's word. --Masem (t) 00:30, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    https:foxnews.com/politics/us-conducts-successful-counterterrorism-operation-takes-out-significant-al-qaeda-target-afghanistan Andrevan@ 01:33, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Nowhere is there non-US confirmation of the death. It is unlikely that this a lie, but its not 100% proven. Masem (t) 03:59, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    NYT has it confirmed by the Taliban: "A statement from the Taliban condemned the operation. “It is an act against the interests of Afghanistan and the region,” the statement said. “Repeating such actions will damage the available opportunities."[8] also CNN ". "Multiple streams of intelligence" confirmed Zawahiri was killed." [9] and others [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] Andrevan@ 04:43, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The CNN is fine then for that. But as a note, just because the Taliban condemned the operation doesn't mean the leader was killed, just that they condemned the US attack. Masem (t) 04:46, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Fair enough. Andrevan@ 04:49, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb Obvious relevance r.e. war on terror This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:37, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb Article is in good shape. Suggest removing the text with "citation required" tags per WP:BLP. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:53, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support, Biden video on cspan about it just for reference not for inclusion [15] Andrevan@ 01:00, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb, considering its importance to US foreign policy history. Mover of molehillsmove me 01:01, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Alt2 Major news, Should be alt2, location is important. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  01:22, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Definitely in the news. Aaron106 01:39, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb No brainer. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:01, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • How can there be so many SUPPORT !votes for a wikibio with about ten {cn} tags in the prose, and an orange tag for inadequate referencing in the Promotional activities section? --PFHLai (talk) 05:18, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I'd say it's because this is far and away the biggest headline news event in the US news cycle at the moment, and likely of international interest as well. Andrevan@ 05:25, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Perhaps !voting was done without looking at the wikiarticle, which is NOT READY! --PFHLai (talk) 05:39, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I'll do some work on the article. I just added a few missing citations. "one or two "citation needed" tags may not hold up an article," right? And he's no longer a living person now... Andrevan@ 05:46, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Mjroots PFHLai can you take another look at the article, I added a few citations and trimmed a few statements which were old and I couldn't find recent information about. Andrevan@ 06:00, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    OK, {{cn}} tags have been dealt with. Article is now fit for posting. Mjroots (talk) 06:08, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted as blurb Stephen 06:14, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Propose change to blurb: add link to Assassination of Ayman al-Zawahiri in the blurb. Something like "Ayman al-Zawahiri (pictured), the leader of Al-Qaeda, is killed by a U.S. drone strike in Kabul, Afghanistan." — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdrianHObradors (talkcontribs) 09:40, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I Support that change. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  16:18, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) 2022 European heat waves[edit]

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Nominator's comments: It is a major event that has affected a big part of Europe. AdrianHObradors (talk) 12:58, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose There have been heat waves all over, and the worst in the European case is mostly over. Masem (t) 13:17, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose This would have been suitable in ITN a couple weeks ago, but the worst of the heatwaves is over now. greyzxq talk 13:55, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose a proseline disaster that has become an incoherent mess I cannot really discern what the current status is. Most updates seem to be at least a week old though. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:00, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose, We've had heatwaves in different parts of the world, it is not a subject for ITN Alex-h (talk) 14:49, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per above. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:00, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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(Closed) July 2022 United States floods[edit]

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NWS Kentucky Flooding Map for the 2022 Eastern Kentucky floods between July 25, 2022 to July 29, 2022
Article: July 2022 United States floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): [16], [17]
Credits:
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Beginning on July 24, 2022, and lasting over the span of a week, several areas of the United States were impacted by numerous flash flooding events. These areas included parts of Missouri and Illinois, especially Greater St. Louis, Eastern Kentucky, Southwest Virginia, parts of West Virginia, and the Las Vegas Valley. Several rounds of severe thunderstorms began in Missouri on July 24, culminating during July 25 and 26, when St. Louis broke its previous 1915 record for the most rainfall in a span of 24 hours. Governor Mike Parson declared a state of emergency on July 26. Over one hundred people had to be rescued from floods and at least one person died. On July 27 and into July 28, historic flooding began in central Appalachia, particularly in Kentucky, where a state of emergency was declared. At least 33 people were killed in Kentucky, with at least 37 others still missing. Late July 28, another unprecedented flash flooding event occurred in Las Vegas after parts of the city saw over an inch of rainfall. Much of the Las Vegas Strip became inundated, with roads, casinos, and parking garages being affected. – Cabin134 (talk) 4:46, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now - article is orange tagged, so ineligible at present. Also, you need to propose a blurb for this. Might support in principle once article updated, as it looks like a significant loss of life.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:15, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • This ITNC is duplicate of the one below about Kentucky floods. --Masem (t) 13:19, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Also, including Las Vegas in the system that primarily affected the Eastern US is disingenuous, that should not be considered part of the same topic. Masem (t) 13:23, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    no it is not, It was disscued that the former 2022 Eastern Kentucky floods has to be merged with July 2022 United States floods Cabin134 (talk) 13:57, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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July 31[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports


[ATTENTION, please.] RD: T. Mohandas Pai[edit]

Article: T. Mohandas Pai (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian philanthropist and business executive. Article is a start-class biography but just meets minimums for homepage / RD. RIP. Ktin (talk) 16:33, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • This is a brand new article with only 305 words of prose and just long enough to qualify. Coverage of the subject's life seems a little thin, but okay. Footnotes can be found at expected spots. Formatting looks fine. And, Earwig did not find any problems. This wikibio is READY for RD. However, it would benefit from an expansion on "his contributions to the development of the city of Manipal" so that readers would appreciate why he was "referred to as the 'architect of modern Manipal'." --PFHLai (talk) 10:39, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @PFHLai: thanks for this note. Did my best by adding some additional content. Please have a look when you have a moment. Not stellar but beets minimum expectations imo. Thanks again. Ktin (talk) 17:43, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Thank you, @Ktin, for the additional materials. Looking good. --PFHLai (talk) 18:07, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mo Ostin[edit]

Article: Mo Ostin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times; Associated Press; The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 01:21, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

[ATTENTION, please.] RD: Khalid Ibrahim[edit]

Article: Khalid Ibrahim (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Malaysiakini
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Of OK length with adequate references, though article hasn't yet elaborate cause of death. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 11:08, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Oppose on quality Unfortunately, references are not clear and proper, as there are several parts of the article that isn't supported within the references listed. Elaborate cause of death isn't necessary for RD, which shows in Bill Russell. MarioJump83 (talk) 21:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Time to look at this nom again? This wikibio has grown quite a bit, with sourcing also augmented, the past few days. The first paragraph of the Early life and career section needs footnotes. The rest of the wikipage looks better and may be due for a re-review. --PFHLai (talk) 16:24, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted RD) RD: Nichelle Nichols[edit]

Article: Nichelle Nichols (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WaPo, Variety, AP
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: She lived long and prospered. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:48, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Filmography needs to be sourced but outside one CN in the body, it is close. --Masem (t) 19:55, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Andrew🐉(talk) 20:17, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support someone opened the hailing frequencies, and it looks like the needed citations are beaming into the article as we speak. 🖖 Imzadi 1979  20:19, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Just to add, her groundbreaking nature would support a blurb, IMHO. Imzadi 1979  20:55, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - More sources are being added, article looks in good shape Funcrunch (talk) 20:23, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I love Star Trek so I am biased, and I'm probably the only one who thinks so, but there might be an argument for a blurb here. She was groundbreaking in television. Was she the most famous, even just among the cast, no, but she has influenced many. 331dot (talk) 20:25, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    You're not the only one; I would also support a blurb. Funcrunch (talk) 20:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I think she could deserve a blurb due to the groundbreaking & influential nature of her role as Uhura, but it isn’t a slam dunk. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:40, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support When it's ready, I would mind a blurb. She was groundbreaking for black women on the screen, and seeing articles and condolences flooding in from all over the world, I'd say she was definitely well known. --cart-Talk 20:38, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support RD. Although a good actress with a wider impact, I wouldn’t say she is blurb-worthy. She didn’t break new ground or radically change things - this feels a bit more like Carrie Fisher, where the fan vote overtakes the guidelines. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:A9EA:1A01:7E8:768C (talk) 21:01, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    This part of the intro to her article sounds groundbreaking to me:

    Nichols' portrayal of Uhura was ground-breaking for African American actresses on American television. From 1977 until 2015, Nichols volunteered her time to promote NASA's programs, and to recruit diverse astronauts, including women and ethnic minorities.

    Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:57, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Apparently Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. thought her work was groundbreaking, as he personally convinced her not to quit the series. From her article:

    King personally encouraged her to stay on the series, saying she "could not give up" because she was playing a vital role model for Black children and young women across the country, as well as for other children who would see Black people appearing as equals, going so far as to favorably compare her work on the series to the marches of the ongoing civil rights movement.

    IMO that supports a blurb. 71.11.8.34 (talk) 01:00, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support RD I'm bearish on blurbing Russell, and clearly Nichols is far below him in significance (no disrespect, I like Star Trek much more than basketball). Anyway, the article looks in posting condition to me. Nohomersryan (talk) 21:45, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
YES! What has gone wrong with Wikipedia. I heard of her death on TV Network Eening News and came here expecting to see announcement, etc. I know its a Sunday afternoon in summer but... 2600:1700:1FFC:0:F97B:8D83:D9D9:8C98 (talk) 22:14, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose several entries (some of which don't even have links to articles) in the latter tables are unreferenced. This is a bit silly when we know we need these claims to be referenced that anyone would support at this time. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:19, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Had a look now. Couldn't track down anything usable for Surge of Dawn (which appears to be a truly Z-tier movie) and Star Trek Adventure (a vague theme park ride with several incarnations). If they're a barrier to posting and no one else finds anything, they should be taken out. Nohomersryan (talk) 22:50, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      I can't find sources for those either. WP:ITN saysArticles should be well referenced; one or two "citation needed" tags may not hold up an article, but any contentious statements must have a source, and having entire sections without any sources is unacceptable. This is not contentious, and leaving it with a cn tag should not prevent posting. Commenting it out is another option. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:20, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support RD A couple fairly trivial cites missing. Not enough to hold up posting. [Very sad news. I am feeling my age right now. Memory eternal.] -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:02, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted RD. Please feel free to continue with the discussion on blurbing. --PFHLai (talk) 01:28, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Age Blurb If there's something to be said of how Nichelle Nichols' death is a milestone in black or television history, say that instead. Her influence hasn't changed from when she was alive at 88, 84 or whatever retirement year. Explain the significance of her death and consider me Supportive. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • If we were going to post a death blurb for a Star Trek TOS cast member, I can't help thinking we missed the boat when we didn't post Nimoy. —Cryptic 21:19, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Nimoy was a white male, a group rather well-represented in tv shows. He was hardly groundbreaking in any social sense. cart-Talk 11:40, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) UEFA Women's Euro 2022 Final[edit]

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Article: UEFA Women's Euro 2022 Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In association football, UEFA Women's Euro 2022 ends with England defeating Germany in the final (player of the match Keira Walsh pictured). (Post)
Credits:
Article updated

 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:9042:BDFD:A150:352E (talk) 18:43, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Weak Support - Article looks fine, but it is not on ITN/R and we already have a lot of other football tournaments there, that being said Women's sports is underrepresented and the mens tournament is in ITN/R.🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  19:13, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

just wanted to state that the blurb should link to the final instead of the tournament, at least in its current condition. The Tournament page suffers from the standard issues of Sport tournament pages (table overload and lack of prose/match overviews). 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  19:18, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - reworded blurb to link to the article on the final (as we do for other tournaments) Smurrayinchester 19:17, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. I would argue that, going forward, WEURO should also be ITNR; as 4iamking mentions, women's sports is underrepresented at ITNR for its increasing popularity. Sceptre (talk) 19:32, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment/Suggestion - If this gets posted with a picture, take the crest of the three lionesses (england womans football team) instead of the wembley-photo - as this blurb is about an england national football team winning an international tournament. offtopic: I wonder if the IP, that suggested this news, would have done it, if germany had won the tournament. anyway, congratulations! --LennBr (talk) 19:38, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • That crest is a non-free image, so that's not possible to use on the Main Page. --Masem (t) 19:58, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Even if this was biased suggesting, it would have been suggested eventually, it's still a big tournament. CaptainGalaxy 20:01, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, I probably would have listed Germany’s victory, but not as quickly and not as happily! If the Wembley picture doesn’t suit, File:Keira Walsh (cropped).jpg is an image of the player of the match, which would suit well. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:A9EA:1A01:7E8:768C (talk) 20:53, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support I'm not seeing any quality issues within the article and it is big news for women's football with a record breaking attendance. CaptainGalaxy 20:01, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support "Football has come home, it has come home, it has come home, it has come....." Oh sorry, slightly distracted by England's glorious victory over the old enemy. ;) Article is fully sourced and looks great and broke so many records for women's football. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 20:42, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on quality for now. A few issues: (1) no match summary in prose (a perennial issue for noms of this sort!); (2) the "route to the final" contains tables within a table, which is not compliant with MOS:ACCESS; (3) a few citations needed in the "Aftermath" section. Support on significance though, this seems to be widely reported even in news outlets such as NY Times and Sydney Morning Herald which aren't part of the area covered by the tournament. A great day for English football!  — Amakuru (talk) 21:02, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I have resolved issue (2), so (1) and (3) outstanding!  — Amakuru (talk) 21:33, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Thanks Black Kite for the prose summary. Good to go now, Support.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:56, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support in principle but does need a prose match summary. As soon as that is done, consider this a full support. Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:11, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support per PK3 on notability but oppose per Amakuru on lack of suitable update. If I get time I'll do it myself, but I'm sure there are other content writers out there who write about football other than me and Amakuru. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:18, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support for all the reasons given so far. ed g2stalk 22:38, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose We already have eleven (11) instances for association football at WP:ITNR, that is the highest for any sport or any topic even. If there needs to be a further mention of AF related titles, it needs to be discussed at ITNR first, this is already too cluttered as is. Gotitbro (talk) 23:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Some of them like Copa whatever and Bungholefister have never actually been posted. Those national tournaments need to come down, except maybe the EPL. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:56, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Except for the fact that "Bungholefister" is actually a major competition in the world's most popular sport. In any case, the argument that being a national tournament disqualifies football leagues from being posted is pretty trivial when we post American college basketball (which I'm pretty sure nobody outside the States watches) and the Boat Race (which I'm not sure anybody in the UK watches). AryKun (talk) 04:01, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
COLLEGE BASKETBALL KLAXXON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --LaserLegs (talk) 11:56, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Be honest with me, does anybody really care about Women's March Madness? I can see why the men's tournament is ITNR, of course, but the women's tournament isn't even the most popular women's basketball tournament in the US.
Also, for what it's worth, the fact that you immediately went to xenophobic homophobia without any sort of prompting means that you're in serious need of maturing a little. Just my two cents. Sceptre (talk) 17:50, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"xenophobic homophobia"? WTF are you talking about? --LaserLegs (talk) 23:30, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose no match summary (reading soccer is even worse than watching it but people who care will want to) then easy support. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:58, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. There are citations tags all over the "aftermath" section. There is no summary of the game's events. Does it even mention that the German captain Alexandra Popp was injured in the warm-up? I don't think it does. She is mentioned in the last sentence before "Match" and then... what happened to her? She's vanished. Not in the team. It's only because I heard this elsewhere that I know about it. Shouldn't the readers know?
Also, this is a recurring event that is not listed on the Wikipedia:In the news/Recurring items. Gotitbro's comment suggests this would be the 12th of its type. But is that all? There are other regional tournaments. England play Brazil in the UEFA–CONMEBOL Women's Finalissima (says UEFA Women's Euro 2022). This is because Brazil just won the 2022 Copa América Femenina Final (which has a better match summary than the Euro final). Then there is the 2022 Women's Africa Cup of Nations... the 2022 CONCACAF W Championship... the 2022 AFC Women's Asian Cup ("the oldest women's international football competition"). Are they all going to be included at ITNR? Please state how this one is more important than the Copa América Femenina. Since the winners qualify to play each other? Are there going to be 16 recurring items of this type in the future?
I would prefer to support 4iamking's proposal to include the women's version of every tournament listed at ITNR. There's no point adding more for the same sport. There are a lot of events missing in other sports, e.g. the World Women's Snooker Championship, the AFL Women's Grand Final. --Gaois (talk) 00:53, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
wasn't really a proposal, more of an observation. the only Womens's football tournament in ITN/R is the woman's World Cup, the other 10 are all male tournaments. Maybe there could be a proposal to include women sport tournament analog's to ITN/R, but this is probably a discussion for the talk page. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  01:21, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There is no requirement for something to be listed at ITN/R before it gets posted as a news item - indeed, the ITN/R listing often stems from the fact that something has gained consensus several times already. It may seem like there are a lot of football tournaments included in the regular listings, but at the end of the day it's the world's most popular sport, and the media have picked up on this, even US outlets such as NY Times.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:55, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support no major issues, definitely newsworthy. --IWI (talk) 01:22, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Major sporting event, and first major trophy for England in 50+ years. However, does need some more information to be added. After that, it'll be ready. echidnaLives (talk) 05:52, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Marked Ready Match summary now added, and other issues above have been dealt with. I have added the image to WP:CMP, will be ready to use when the bot does its job. Black Kite (talk) 09:40, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) (Posted RD) RD/Blurb: Bill Russell[edit]

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Proposed image
Article: Bill Russell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: American basketball player Bill Russell dies at the age of 88. (Post)
News source(s): CBS
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Is a FA. Might as well tag this for potential blurb too, given the Hank Aaron similiarity Nohomersryan (talk) 17:23, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Strongly support as he is one of the most important players in basketball who also had a great impact with the civil rights movement. Ayyydoc (talk) 17:27, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - Featured article, I'm good with a blurb. Jusdafax (talk) 17:34, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb One of a handful of athletes that deserves it - a titan of basketball, the first Black head coach in North American pro sports, and a civil rights icon. The Kip (talk) 17:45, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb I'm a bit surprised that this hasn't been posted yet after half an hour given that we posted Maradona's death in eight minutes. To be frank, Russell in basketball is of the same stature as Maradona in football. Age is irrelevant in this case.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:56, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I'm not opposed to this as a blurb (it would be nice to have an FA on the main page), but fairly obviously Maradona was a legend in the biggest sport in the world, played worldwide, whilst I strongly suspect that very few people outside North America have ever heard of Russell. Black Kite (talk) 18:40, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Basketball’s popular in many countries, including China & much of Europe. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:32, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Blurb like I did for Maradona and whatever politician died recently and I do almost every time because "old man dies unremarkable death" is exactly what RD is for. Russell will end up the box, either in a blurb or in RD what difference does it make except that the boiler plate "X dies at Y age" will push Monkeypox out of the box. It's not like he died in a helicopter crash at age 41 come on. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:14, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb This is the state I'd expect an article for a RD BLP that we are going to post as a blurb - besides quality there's an extensive legacy/influence section to explain why he was important and not just claims of WPians. --Masem (t) 18:16, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
RD Only Unremarkable death... If we only got a generic burb of "Famous person X dies at Y age", its not doing anything that a RD wouldn't, and actually is exactly what RD is for. If there is a blurb it should state what about the death is significant. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  18:37, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
RD only Agree with comments above. 88 is a good age to go! Turini2 (talk) 19:14, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
WRT whether or not Russell deserves a blurb, what he did during his life is more important than how old he was when he died. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:45, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • RD only – While a household name to U.S. BKB fans half a century ago, Mr. Russell reached the end of his lifespan and "died peacefully beside his wife." – Sca (talk) 18:51, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I'd argue he's better known today than he was in the 60s. Pro basketball is much bigger today, and Russell's legacy has been enhanced by retrospective histories. Zagalejo (talk) 22:44, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • We didn't have "Death of Diego Maradona". (Well, we did for like 9 minutes, but it was a few sentences long and got redirected.) Zagalejo (talk) 22:44, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Per the above. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:A9EA:1A01:7E8:768C (talk) 22:36, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb Part of the basketball pantheon; not just news in the US. Zagalejo (talk) 22:44, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose blurb - The current ITN consensus of blurbing a recent death seems to be departing away from blurbing figures who were merely exceptionally notable or tops in their field, regarding the last few times we've done this (Maradona) as a mistake. It's unfortunate Bill Russell ends up receiving the short end of the stick in this regard, but that seems to be where we are heading now. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 22:50, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb - this isnt just somebody exceptionally notable or tops in his field, though he is that, he was also a civil rights activist. Thats woefully underrepresented in his article, but he isnt just some basketball player. The blurb should also make note of that. nableezy - 00:11, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb First Black star in NBA. First Black coach in major American sports league. Transcended sports with visibility on civil rights issues. Awarded Presidential Medal of Freedom.—Bagumba (talk) 01:35, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose blurb I cannot see any way at all that this is not a perfect example of US-centirism. HiLo48 (talk) 02:27, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    This cant possibly be a valid reason to oppose. Do we seriously need more evidence of the reflexive anti-anything American whatsoever attitude at ITN? Jfc. At least somebody was honest about it. nableezy - 04:12, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Would you support a blurb for Archie Roach? If you have no idea who he is, I have made my point. Assuming that you don't know, have a look at the RDs for July 30. HiLo48 (talk) 09:55, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Nableezy is right. There's a way to make your argument without assuming everyone supporting a blurb is hellbent on trumpeting Amerocentrism. There's absolutely no need to go ad hominem, especially since Archie did actually get posted within a day. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 11:27, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment - Famous internationally, honored by three U.S. presidents, a civil rights icon. Opposers' reasoning is unconvincing, and the closer here should take that as a deciding factor, as I see it. Jusdafax (talk) 04:09, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb - I can never understand how someone's old age negates their influence and impact in their respective field. Russell is a groundbreaking NBA player and was a very well known civil rights icon. Article in very good shape at that. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Age Blurb If there's something to be said of how Bill Russell's death is a milestone in black or basketball history, say that instead. His influence hasn't changed from when he was alive at 88, 84 or whatever retirement year. Explain the significance of his death and consider me Supportive. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:24, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @InedibleHulk: According to this logic, Mikhail Gorbachev shouldn't get a blurb because he left office 30 years ago, nor should Jimmy Carter whose influence ended 20 years ago. I wonder if the first woman in space would merit a blurb because she did it almost 60 years ago.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:08, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    A US basketball player doesn't nearly have the notoriety that Gorbachev has. That being said, a blurb of "The first woman in space Valentina Tereshkova dies" is a thousand times better than a blurb that says "Russian Cosmonaut Valentina Tereshkova dies at age xx", we have the latter for this guy. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  11:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose blurb. US editors: "American basketball player Bill Russell dies at the age of 88." Rest of world: "Who? So ...?". This is a global encyclopedia, not one for US sports fans. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:27, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) Tour de France Femmes[edit]

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Article: 2022 Tour de France Femmes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In cycling, Annemiek van Vleuten wins the 2022 Tour de France Femmes, the first since 1989. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​In cycling, Annemiek van Vleuten wins the 2022 Tour de France Femmes.
News source(s): BBC Guardian
Credits:
Article updated

Nominator's comments: Major sporting event, men's event is WP:ITN/R - first official running of event since 1989. Updated and written up! Turini2 (talk) 16:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Added photo - do we have one where she's wearing the maillot jaune? Omnifalcon (talk) 16:45, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Not yet annoyingly! I'll keep an eye out. If it's anything like the Tour de France one below, it will take 48 hours or so to get the article fully ship shape so - hopefully one will appear! Turini2 (talk) 16:47, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support on principle - we've posted the mens, and so we should post the womens version as well, which only occured a week later. --Masem (t) 16:53, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Support, I dont see any reason why we should not post this considering we posted the mens Tour de France. 88.230.9.13 (talk) 17:24, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment "Race overview" is very short but has a "see also" for 2022 Tour de France Femmes, Stage 1 to Stage 8 which is very detailed. Problem is, that "sub article" has two refs for each stage summary -- is that whole article sourced from just two accounts of the race? We shouldn't be sweeping referencing issues into WP:SPINOUT articles and pretending they don't exist. We should post this, it's a shining example of systemic bias that we've consistently refused blanket inclusions of women's editions of sporting events already listed at ITN/R. No real problems with the bolded article except that race summary prose is kind of short. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:22, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @LaserLegs Will do - there's plenty of sources for the coverage! Turini2 (talk) 19:03, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - as per Masem. Kiwipete (talk) 10:05, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose until complete, then support - the race summary only covers the first five stages, and the "Classification Leadership" table, as far as I can see, is unsourced. Black Kite (talk) 15:32, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support, and also in future, assuming that the women's race ends whilst the men's race is still on ITN, I would suggest adding the women's winner to the blurb pretty quickly, and then maybe moving the combined blurb up a bullet point. The end of July is typically quiet for ITN anyway. Sceptre (talk) 17:56, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • If someone could take a look, I think I've made all the relevant edits and updates - just gonna go and get some photos to populate the article. Turini2 (talk) 20:42, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @LaserLegs @Black Kite All done, edits made and references in place. Turini2 (talk) 21:32, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 23:20, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Fidel V. Ramos[edit]

Article: Fidel V. Ramos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Philippine STAR
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: former President of the Philippines from 1992 to 1998 — Lawrence Ruiz (talk) 14:13, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Extensive sourcing is needed, entire sections are without references. --Tone 14:50, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • This cannot be put into RD for now due to lack of necessary sourcing. A lot of CN tags and there's a section that doesn't have any citations. Notable and important figure but citation/sourcing issues hold this back. MarioJump83 (talk) 21:41, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment - FVR is bordering on being worthy of a blurb. This is an important one to get up to standards, and soon. 1779Days (talk) 05:23, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • An absolute mess of sourcing, but if these problems are resolved in time I could see a blurb being an option, if the support is there. Anarchyte (talk) 10:15, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment - I also think he is worthy of a blurb, but the article has several paragraphs without sources; the article should be revamped. Vida0007 (talk) 13:02, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Sourcing deficiencies persist. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 16:11, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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